I was going to post this as a comment, but it was in an anarchism community, and I figured some sections of it might be unacceptable there. Hence, new post.
Here's a guideline of how to interact with cops. There are more or less three modes, depending on your read of the situation. Cops are not always the enemy or the maniacal whole-job-is-making-evil thugs that Lemmy sometimes makes them out to be. It really is bad for people to get mugged or their cars broken into, and they're the solution our society has come up with to minimize the amount of it that happens. It's not always a bad thing.
If you find yourself talking to the cops, there are more or less three ways:
- They're there to solve a real problem. Someone's car got broken into, someone got beat up. Just talk with them. Tell them what you know, help them figure out the situation. In almost all of the US, their effect on the problem will be positive, and it'll be a lot more positive if they have a good grasp of what happened. If, in your opinion, the person they're trying to catch really did do something that warrants a law enforcement response, then give them a hand. Use your judgement as to whether that's warranted of course, and your impression of the justice level in your local area, since it varies quite a lot in the US.
- They're there for you. Shut the fuck up. Don't say a goddamned word. It doesn't even matter if you didn't do it. Don't explain. Shut the fuck up. Be polite, obey lawful orders, definitely don't fight them or you'll get a felony and might also get injured or worse, but tell them that if you're suspected of a crime, then you'd like to talk to a lawyer, and you have nothing else to say. And then, shut the fuck up and cooperate. Maybe you want to go as far as "Were you shoplifting?" "What? No. That wasn't me, man." But any further explanation than that, just leave it alone. Definitely don't make something up on the spot, to make yourself sound innocent, if you did do it. For the love of God, don't do that.
- They're there for someone who didn't do anything wrong. The reason for this post is, anything and everything with ICE and immigration falls into this category. Some things with local cops will, also. Just be unhelpful and simple. No, I didn't see anything. I don't know. I'm not sure. Be vague. Don't get creative, keep it simple, don't refuse to give your ID or otherwise antagonize them or commit minor crimes of obstruction, but just do your best imitation of someone who just fell from the sky. "So you've NEVER MET your neighbor. Your neighbor across the hall." "Nope." "Are you sure?" "Yeah, I don't know." "I mean, she gave us your name, she said she'd talked to you." "I don't know, I don't remember that." Don't embellish. Don't explain why. Just calmly let the silence linger and the pressure build up, without adding extra words.
Like I said, everything with ICE or other immigration authorities falls into the third category. No exceptions. Everything. The same applies with any type of federal law enforcement, I suspect, for the next few years.
I appreciate it! Yeah, that's what I was going for. Just like a conversation instead of a shouting match lol.
Yeah, completely true. There's a whole interlocking system of traditions, with the police, the local businesses, the politicians, the popular people of the town. It would take a massive effort to be able to convince people to upend their whole way of being. A lot of the smaller reforms, things like shifting police resources to some other agency, they've been able to do, because they can talk people into it. And you're definitely not wrong that the police themselves would fight you on it.
I don't actually agree with you that most of your resistance would stem from the police themselves. The whole system would be against you, because most of the population would be against you. What I'm saying is that there are other alternatives. "Taking over" a small town, like the libertarians did, would be completely feasible. Definitely way easier than somehow taking over a whole city or something. Truth be told, in my opinion, you haven't "earned" the right to tell the whole city full of people that you have a better way and they all need to start doing it your way. I feel like it is fair to some extent to say you need to demonstrate it on a smaller scale and then argue for un-locking-down the bigger municipalities from that network that has control of who wins the elections, currently.
I really think you should look into the Freak Party attempt in Aspen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Aspen . It really almost worked. Hunter Thompson said it was a confirmation that America was a lot more radical than he thought it was. It only failed because the Democrats and Republicans both got terrified, and combined forces to try to outvote the freaks, and also maybe cheated. But even with that, it almost worked, and they only tried it one time and then Thompson did his own thing one other time. If they'd been like the anti-abortion people, and kept pushing it for forty years relentlessly without caring how slow of progress they were making, there'd probably be people today calling it Fat City and walking around on the unpaved places where the streets used to be.