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You'd think a hegemony with a 100-years tradition of upkeeping democracy against major non-democratic players, would have some mechanism that would prevent itself from throwing down it's key ideology.

Is it really that the president is all that decides about the future of democracy itself? Is 53 out of 100 senate seats really enough to make country fall into authoritarian regime? Is the army really not constitutionally obliged to step in and save the day?

I'd never think that, of all places, American democracy would be the most volatile.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It turns out that a handful of young land-owning white men from the 1700s, born almost 200 years before the advent of game theory, didn't actually properly anticipate every way in which the political system they were designing could fail.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Lol they fucked up real bad. I mean, Washington wanted 2 terms to be the norm. So why didn't he just advocate for that to be... ye know... written into the fucking constitution?

Also, they had a contingent election like just 4 years after his retirement, because checks notes Pres and VP are just 1st and second place? And electors cast 2 votes for the same office? NANI?!? What a bunch of mess. (Imagine if the Federalists just tell their electors to, instead of voting 65 for Adams and 65 for the VP, just vote all 130 for Adams, 0 for the VP candidate. Just win with a Federalist Pres and Democratic-Republican VP. Oh wait checks 1796 election that actually happened. They got a Federalist Pres and Democratic-Republican VP because of shenanigans. Imagine a trump-walz or harris-vance. What a dumb ass idea. It failed so bad, they had to write an entire amendment to fix this shit. ๐Ÿคฃ

(When I read about that, my brain just had an aneurism, like WTF is that election system?!?)

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The funny thing is that so much of it is based on the idea that everyone involved is going to be on their best behaviour, working for the good of the country, compromising with their opponents, and so-on. And, then it all falls apart as soon as one person realizes that they get an advantage as soon as they simply ignore the norms.

Also, don't forget that there was less than a century between the revolution and the civil war. If your brand new form of government is so poor that a significant fraction of your population thinks a civil war is preferable to resolving things through that system, your system isn't very good.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The civil war wasn't about the form of government.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

It was about State's rights...

State's rights suchs as the right to own slaves

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago

I mean, Washington wanted 2 terms to be the norm.

He didn't, that's just a whitewashed version we tell ourselves.

He just didn't want the President to be viewed as a monarch or a lifetime appointment. He turned down a third term because he feared he would die in office and the public would believe that's the norm.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

it's working as intended