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Israel could begin by not bombing internationally recognized medivac convoys an hour ago? Since they're the ones doing all the killing at the moment why don't we start there?
Edit: also, was that you just justifying collective punishment, a literal war crime? It's so common now, I almost completely brushed over it.
His comment is typical isreali bullshit propaganda. Block water,food and electricity and everything else then blame Palestinians and their freedom fighters for it. It defies logic and yet if it didn't work they wouldn't spew it everywhere.
I think it's working less by the hour.
I seriously hope. They even started killing journalists to hide their atrocities and then blaming the other side . They don't even try to hide their bullshiting anymore.
I saw the (scumbag asshole) Israeli spokesman Mark Regev on the news, he literally tried to make out that the ambulances were Hamas. He said something like "We've seen them build infrastructure underneath hospitals, is it hard to believe they would use ambulances too?"
Edit: The clip in question: https://youtu.be/m88g6POq-MA?t=1400
Channel 4 have really been on point throughout all this. Asking difficult questions from the start, and I've even seen some things on their programs before I've seen them online (not that I have my finger right on the pulse, but still).
Edit2: The whole segment is really worth a watch tbh. I saw bits I'd missed earlier when it was live. In particular, the observation that, while there have been large protests in Arab nations, they're perhaps not as big as protests in the past and in fact there have in some cases been even larger protests in Western countries.
This is like when the US would designate any fighting-age men they killed to be "enemy combatants." If you define the enemy as anyone you kill, you can go ahead and kill anyone while claiming to hit only the enemy. In this case Israel seems only to need to say that the enemy might have been somewhere near the people it killed.
Your source literally does not identify that as an identified or even unidentified aid convoy. You have posted disinformation on other topical posts and I'm starting to think that you are working on behalf of a state level actor.
Folks, before you elevate posts that conform to your biases, at least validate that they are true.
Here's the WSJ calling it a medical evacuation convoy 3 hours before the strike (which hit the same convoy in multiple places)
Israel and the Red Cross knew about it, and they were evacuating injured and dying people to Egypt. The villains were so dastardly they even identified the street/route they were taking! What a boob.
crickets
Israel, who has much better intelligence, claims that Hamas is using ambulances for their logistics.
It comes down to who you believe. I know that one side has a better track record.
If Hamas is using ambulances for their logistics, as they have been known to do, striking it is not a war crime. They actively do this because it looks worse for Israel.
The use of ambulances for logistics is a war crime. What a boob.
"of course I didn't commit that murder, those people all blew themselves up! And I should know, I'm an explosives expert!" Said the mad bomber. ^And this guy trusts them because he literally comes out and says he's worked for them before. Doesn't a crystal ball to see what a malformed boob this boot licker is. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
I never said I worked for them. You make a lot of claims and provide little to no evidence that actually directly supports them. It also doesn't take a crystal ball to see that all your claims follow the exact narratives of Hamas. You are also the one posting the most about it on this platform indicating that spreading propaganda may be part of your professional work.
I'll just keep calling you out on it. It doesn't feel like wasting time to me.
Here you go, Fuck Hamas, they can all eat shit and die. Now you go.
Keep chasing that tail boob.
@galloog1 @TinyPizza If you believe Israel in any way, shape or form, you're probably horribly naive. We're talking about the same people who are actively conducting genocide against the Palestinians, on top of the apartheid regime. They already inflicted on them. Are Hamas terrorists, yes, is Israel worse? Yes
I believe Israel because I've worked with them and seen these things myself. I also know information war and Israel is bound by the constraints of a Western Democratic approach whereas Hamas is not.
One is inherently more trustworthy and you can validate it quite simply based on how quickly they lay blame. Israel checks with their force to validate information and protects it's information sources. Hamas simply immediately claims that every militant was a civilian, every explosion was an airstrike, and only walks it back when people get called out by name as dead.
Any military force is not perfect. War crimes happen in any force with Soldiers on the ground. Israel's targeting provides multiple sources of validation and checks to ensure there is a legitimate target before conducting a strike and they can take civilian considerations into account. Soldiers on the ground do not have that same level of control inherently. Hamas includes targeting civilians in their orders though so there is that.
@galloog1 https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
So you're biased, got it
Well, this is honestly hilarious. You are trying to use Israeli opposition criticism of the government of Israel attempting to help the Palistinians as proof that they were propping up Hamas. I really don't know what to say. Israel's doing what the international community is calling for is not them playing 3d chess helping Hamas.
Working through the only existing power structure in the Gaza strip to allow more work permits may have inadvertently legitimized them and allowed them to further cement their authoritarianism but it's a far cry from being the cause of them and it's flat out dishonest to suggest so. You really do take away their autonomy with this narrative.
@galloog1 You missed the part where that work was intentionally done to sabotage the creation of a sovereign Palestine. Nice thing for you to over at least get over, way to prove your bias.
Israel is literally responsible for this entire situation
@galloog1 Also Israel doesn't check shit. As they're using air dropped bombs inside a densely packed civilian population . Every fatality, every casualty is intentional. Worse haven't seen a lot of armed dead Gaza citizens, we HAVE seen a lot of dead unarmed ones
Don't lie you'll be caught
No competant military force on earth would show pictures of their own dead militants. They control the ground. Don't be dumb.
@galloog1 Israel has plenty of assets they can use to bolster their case
Yet, nothing. Hell they're so fucking terrible that the Jenin camp they committed an atrocity in, they don't even know they got the person they were aiming for.
They literally bombed a refugee camp and did not know if they got the target or not. What the fuck?!
All of that does not make it an illegitimate target under international law. If someone shoots your friend and runs into a building and you strike that building, you cannot claim that you got that target until you see a body. That's just how assessments in a Western fires process work. It also provides more legitimacy when you do say something.
If you can come up with a more valid way to conduct assessments, by all means provide it. Israel wants to assess their targets as much as you want them to.
@galloog1 Okay, let me help you out here, if some terrorist runs into a building, you don't blow up the entire fucking building full of people. That doesn't work
I think people have a really warped view of war on the internet. That's exactly what any army on earth would do including and especially Hamas. Only the United States and Israel are known to not. Coalition partners literally think we are odd for taking civilian considerations into account as much as we do. You can find tens thousands of examples of this from the current war in Ukraine, ISIS fight, and any other going back to WWII.
I don't know what to tell you. You are just simply wrong about this. War is just bad overall. That doesn't make it a war crime. That has a pretty high burden of proof. You can run this through any military lawyer of any military. I know more than my fair share and work closely with them.
@galloog1 No, I've actually been to war, twice. So I'm good. Israel isn't taking civilians into consideration, they're racking up the body count by intentionally using the wrong weapons in a civilian populace.
Oh and that's in ADDITION to cutting off water, fuel, and medical supplies to the CIVILIANS
SO you're trying to bullshit people who now know that's what you're trying to do.
Israel is LITERALLY making more "terrorists" than they're killing with their disproportionate use of force
I’m not sure what your problem is with the article.
Both sides say an ambulance convoy was hit by Israel. Israel says Hamas was in there and the other side said it was just aid. It says Israel has not proved Hamas fighters were hit and the Gaza health ministry has not reported a number for those killed.
His narrative is that it was internationally recognized, which it was not. Words have meaning and he is a disinformer. It is worded intentionally to have you jump to conclusions that are inaccurate through different framing of the situation and decision to conduct the strike.
Under international law, you do not wantonly strike vehicles with markings for medical aid, such as ambulances. Doing so is a war crime. It doesn't matter if it was, "an internationally recognized convoy." It doesn't matter if you suspect that it is fake.
Israel is admitting to violating Article 21 of the Geneva convention.