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[–] [email protected] 281 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LOL if the question is like that ("would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions") then what the other 30% of people is thinking?

"Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?"

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Jail or the front lines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So why did 34% respond otherwise?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Because they wanted to be or are extremely patriotic and want to win the war.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Keep going until all of Ukraine is annexed?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's clear to everyone that that is not going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To those of us with access to media that isn't pure Russian propaganda, anyway. I suspect Russians without VPN access, (which I believe they recently outlawed,) have a very distorted view of the state of the world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that the frontline hasn't significantly moved for over a year, aside from Kherson, should be obvious even from Russian propaganda. (Btw, this also shows that something major needs to happen if Ukraine is to get its territory back)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really wish Ukrainian allies had given them jets and long-range missiles sooner. Were I in their shoes, I'd give Ukraine the capability of damaging Russian infrastructure and fuck up the supply lines all the way to their source if need be. Make it clear to the average Russian that going with the plan is more dangerous for them than resisting their autocrat. Time is of the essence, every second of delay can be measured in lives.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.

There's no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can't afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin's closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don't have a clear route to reach power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm worried about Putin getting old and still in power in charge of the warfare.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. "Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories" or something like that