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They need a compare and contrast with 2016 as well...
2016 - Clinton failed to campaign in key states like Michigan and Wisconsin, said something idiotic about coal mining that couldn't be walked back that tanked her in Pennsylvania. Lost the election 304 to 227.
2024 - Harris DID campaign in key states like Michigan and Wisconsin, attempted to back-track her previous statements on fracking but nobody in Pennsylvania believed her. Lost the election 312 to 226.
Trump actually gained +1 state in 2024 vs. 2016.
What do these two candidates have in common?
https://theconversation.com/why-do-so-many-believe-hillary-clinton-is-inauthentic-67302
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/7/3/harris-authenticity-problem/?ref=readtangle.com
Watching both women, I told my wife (a big Clinton and Harris supporter), that they both come across as plastic and fake. Their smiles don't quite reach their eyes. They're trying to ACT authentic, not genuinely BE authentic.
Clinton almost comes across as psychopathic in this regard and while Harris isn't quite so bad, the reaction in her camp to her fakeness didn't help, especially when it came to things like her fake laugh and the coconut tree comment.
https://youtube.com/shorts/br6EHiAWJ_M
I think, in the end, picking Tim Walz as VP highlighted this lack of authenticity because there could not have been a candidate more authentic than Walz and by comparison, Harris looked worse.
When I hear comments like these, only one thing comes to mind:
America Ferrera's lconic Barbie Speech
Men do it too, they also don't get elected. See Bob Dole, or Mitt Romney.
People saying what they think they need to say to get elected will always lose to people who genuinely believe what they are saying, even if what they believe is batshit crazy.
Men do what too, come across as "plastic and fake"?
And that sinks their elections? Not coming across as genuine?
We're talking about Harris vs Trump, right?
Can you say with a straight face that you have ever believed anything you have ever heard out of Trump's mouth came across as genuine? Not just opportunistic? Not just tailored to his audience?
The man who literally slathers himself in excessive amounts of bronzer doesn't come across as plastic?
The arguments about successful female politicians coming across as insincere are tiring. Respectfully, I think you might have missed the point of me linking to that specific video. It is all about the unfair expectations projected onto women, to be one way, but to not too much that way, but also be the opposite way too. It is all about being forced to conform to societal expectations while also being expected to come across with sincerity. It is literally impossible.
We're talking about Democratic voters. What Trump voters believe does not matter in Harris' turnout.
And there are plenty of women more genuine than Harris in American politics. AOC, Warren, Tlaib just off the top of my head. Harris did not lose because Democratic voters are sexist, she lost because they also want change, and Harris refused to even promise it to them.
Trump is genuine because no one would pretend to be that much of a shithead
Counterpoint: Boris Johnson
I'm a woman, and though I agree that the undertones came off that way, the reality is that I agree with the comment. Cori and AOC don't come off as fake. Plenty of other women don't. Two things can be true at once. Women can be held to a higher standard, and some women can fall below the standard set for men. Voters always talk about how Trump is relatable and an outsider, and these women do not come off as relatable and definitely come off as insiders. It's possible that a man would be viewed less negatively than them, but if that's the case we need to either only run men (if we want to actually win), or be honest about the "likability" of our female candidates. Unfortunately, running doomed candidates is not actually gonna move the needle on this one, at least not in our favor.