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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Ironically, you will probably do better in school if you take 1-2 days off to rest, instead of wasting 3-4 days going in and getting nothing out of it because you're unable to focus. But who cares, right?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

This is what I also realized with work. It’s better to rest and recover in 2-3 days, then struggle for 4-5 or more (even from home office). Luckily, at my workplace in Germany, you can take 2 days of sick leave without any doctor’s note.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

tell that to my PTO policy. I'm getting sick and getting paid, and spending my limited vacation on times I feel good.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Or think about it this way, would you rather have 2 weeks of PTO or one week of vacation and one week of sick leave? Or even 2.5 weeks PTO vs 2 weeks vacation and 1 week sick leave and you need to provide a reason for the sick leave?

I much prefer PTO over some mixed policy, even if the mix is technically more time off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I should just be able to call in sick if I'm sick. Why even track it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because people will abuse it, which sucks. And if you go with an unlimited PTO option, there's often a lot of cultural pressure to not take PTO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

so discipline those that abuse it? It's really a symptom of not engaging with your workforce on a realistic level. Many non-American countries deal with it adequately. In the UK your sick days don't come out of your vacation, and if you need more than a week off you have to get a doctor's note.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And whether that's a good system comes down to the quality of your immediate leadership. PTO gives you essentially a right to use time off for whatever you need, whereas discretionary time off comes down to the discretion of your manager. Some prefer the guarantee over a promise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd argue that "you can use it however you want" is pissing on my boots and telling me it's raining.

I want to use my vacation for vacation, as it's vacation. I don't want to use my vacation for being sick. If it is truly what I want that really matters, then shouldn't that be respected?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

PTO isn't vacation though, it's "Personal Time Off," which is a combination of sick leave and vacation time.

If you compare two roles, one with separate vacation and sick leave and the other with combined PTO, the PTO will be higher than the vacation, but lower than the combined total time off. You lose a little for that flexibility, but there's no guarantee that you'll be able to use all of the sick leave.

I prefer PTO because I don't get sick all that often, and my company allows me to WFH when sick (it's more flexible than that). My dad had separate sick leave and vacation, and he never used up his sick leave so a lot of it would be wasted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I have almost 30 work days PTO plus virtually unlimited paid sick leave. Both basically standard over here.

Always amazes me that the US is not already chopping heads because of the bad health system alone

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