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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Wait, so apparently Americans don't want neoliberal economic policies so they didn't vote for Kamala, but instead voted for Trump and his neoliberal economic policies?

This shit is stupid and old already. It reeks of people using unhealthy coping mechanism to deal with the idea that the average American shifted even further right.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The average american doesn't know what neoliberal economic policies are, but the average american can feel the impact of neoliberalism on a daily basis. Convincing people you have a solution to what everyone knows is wrong (even if your solution is even more neoliberalism and blaming minorities, the old reliable) is what get people in booths.

Conversely, saying things are fine the way they are is the easiest way to lose an election.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What killed Biden and Harris was the outright denial of what people were feeling.

"The economy is hurting us!"

"What are you talking about, Jack? We have the best economy ever! Look... inflation is only 3% (on top of 3%, on top of 9%), we're doing GREAT! Not a joke! I'm serious!"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Harris and Biden were correct, though. Less people were suffering than ever, and what little new ails people did face were partly because of the previous admin and largely because of a global pandemic.

And she proposed policies like Taxing people who have more than a Million Dollars in unrealized gains in a year. Giving new and improved child and student tax credits to lower income earners.

Instead, we're going to let Trump's team write the new tax laws immediately after his old ones expire.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

1/3 of voting age Americans voted for Trump (that 3rd wants fascism)... 1/3 for Kamala, and 1/3 stayed home... A lot of the 1/3 that stayed home did so because they don't want neolib policy, and probably a lot of the 1/3 that voted for her also don't want neolib policy. There's very little to support the idea that anyone "shifted right"... They shifted home when they weren't given an option to vote against genocide and other neolib bullshit

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No. The majority 40% didn’t vote, and roughly 30% votes for trump and Harris.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, but my point remains unchanged

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

No there is not 1/3rd that wants Fascism. There is a small percentage that want a Christian Nationalist government, but most Trump voters just seriously think he did a better job with the economy. They don't have an economic education and they know it was easier to feed their families when he was president.

Don't other people who should be your allies. Division of the working class works in the favor of the elites and extremists.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump’s economic policies aren’t neoliberal so much as mercantilist. He wants tariffs and trade wars. (There’s obviously also a dash of fascist policies where he wants companies to serve him.)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Fascism was the rebranding of mercantilism. State supported industry with a blurry line between state and private actors and owners, all ultimately supported by imperial conquest and colonialism.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump verbally promised to change the system. Harris said the system is doing great, you're doing great, anyone who says they aren't doing great doesn't understand the economic genius that is Biden's economy.

The predictable happened. Democrats were warned when Biden tried to take a victory lap on the economy in 2023. They ignored that warning and didn't attempt to pass legislation they knew was required. Even if they failed they could have been seen fighting for the people. We know they knew what the required legislation is because Biden suddenly promised national rent controls right before being forced to step aside. Then Harris silently kept them in her campaign but didn't highlight them again until a week before the election. When she was desperate.

Until Democrats actually show, in their actions, that they're fighting for the working class, the beatings will continue. And no shutting down strikes and one vote on minimum wage isn't going to cut it. They need to be in the news every week on some aspect of the financial pain the working class feels, and repeats are not only okay, but necessary. A term has 208 weeks in it, that's enough to press several issues. They can also do a quarterly podcast, this entire idea of silently governing was proven inferior by FDR. Even Obama had the petition system which generated national conversations. People do not expect that a quiet government is doing something. In fact they are suspicious of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or maybe, hear me out, the country just shifted right due to mass propaganda…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

They've certainly shifted on the wedge issues. But the biggest issue remains, and will always remain, putting food on the table.

No matter how far to the right we go because the Democrats refuse to engage in a national conversation over rights and democracy, people will never stop believing they personally deserve shelter, food, education, and disposable income.

Deliver on those core issues and they'll mutter about gay rights all day long while they vote for the party that delivered.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The people that like trump like that shit. The people that vote dem, at most, tolerate it but the harder they lean in that direction the less enthusiastic their base is about voting for them

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

Kamala just got the 3rd most votes in American history. Wtf are you talking about?