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Ukrainian boxing champ Wladimir Klitschko calls out Rogan for ‘repeating Russian propaganda’
(www.theguardian.com)
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In your previous comment you used the article as proof that Ukraine was a Nazi state because The NYTimes was a credible third party observer I should rely on.
The second this is pointed out, they're no longer reliable and are infact apologists? Why use the article as evidence anyway?
How much was spent on Mt Rushmore? Confederate statues? War Monuments? Statues of John A. Macdonald? Napoleon? Churchill, Stalin, Lenin, Sadam, Mao, Hirohito, Eisenhower, Sherman?
There's no apologism that exists for them. The true answer, is that at the time of their installation, these people were considered heroes and their bad deeds were overlooked due to circumstance. As I said earlier; as time goes on and peace prospers our eyes open to the broader world. Right now, Ukraine's heroes are "dirty" heroes to us. Because we aren't suffering the way they are. Due to circumstance the heroes they have are the only heroes Ukraine can rely on because even the right to have scholars as heroes has been taken from them by Russia.
Can you name me a nation builder with a clean record?
No, that was just your misinterpretation.
We’re not talking about old monuments. We’re talking about new ones they are continuing to erect.
Quoting you:
Are you now saying that Nazi apologism is a Kremlin talking point or not? Because earlier you said the article would prove Ukraine is Nazi but now the article is apologism. Which is it?
No, you claimed acknowledging the existence of widespread Naziism in Ukraine to be a Kremlin talking point. Presumably, that extends the western defense of it.
What about the US Congress lifting the ban on arming Nazis in order to arm Ukraine. Were they also engaging in Kremlin propaganda?
Because there is no widespread Nazism in Ukraine. I asked you to prove it, you provided the article as proof but the article refuted your point. You then said it was apologist. So which is it? Irrefutable evidence supporting the kremlin's position or Apologism?
Hmm let me wrack my brain here. You'll have to point me to the specific wording. The US congress literally said "Nazis can use our weapons"? Or is Nazi a label that Russia has attributed to certain fighters and you're now repeating?
It didn’t refute my point at all. It acknowledged there is widespread Naziism, and then made excuses for it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1vv6p9k1z1o.amp
What are you trying to prove with this article?
That several groups could no longer substantiate weapons bans to Azov because they could not find any long lasting or significant ties to hate crimes or Gross Violations of Human rights originally tabled by the Kremlin?
This article is further evidence that Russia used Azov's early ties to Ukrianian Nationalism in the East as as a tool to claim Ukraine is a Nazi state.
If that alone is evidence to condemn the whole of Ukraine then this image is enough to condemn the whole of Russia.
You keep trying to provide evidence that russia's claims are true but your evidence simply proves my point.
Who is part of this puppet government and who would take over after they leave? Who should take over in your eyes.