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So exactly the same then. Sep 11 conspiracy theorists also believe the attack happened. They just don't attribute it to terrorists but the local government. Which is exactly what June 4th conspiracy theorists believe. And from experience, obnoxious foreigners are usually June 4th conspiracy theorists, because those conspiracy theories are pushed by western propaganda outlets like Radio Free Asia and BBC. They sometimes also believe they drove over people with tanks and shot people in the square. Same with Uighurs. Maybe you just wanted to talk about Uighurs or Xinjiang, but the conspiracy theorists believe Uighurs are being oppressed, and obnoxious foreigners are more likely to be conspiracy theorists. Even if you aren't a conspiracy theorists, obnoxious foreigners usually are so at a certain point people just stop engaging.
Talking to people like this is frustrating because I feel like I have to clarify every single point I make, then clarify all of the incorrect presuppositions you made in your comment, then clarify all of the wrong points you made. It is exhausting.
The thing is though, I think we actually agree with the principals at play.
Lets just agree that people should be treated with dignity and respect, and have the right to speech without fear of negative repercussions from the government. If there are places where that is not happening, it should be happening.