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You really hit the settler-leftist bingo with this one, no free space necessary. Every last thing you've said reeks of uninvestigated white supremacy; and I'd suggest self-crit if I believed for a half a second in your bonafides.
That said, thank you for justifying why I put more faith in AES than white leftism, justifying why I consider there to be no revolutionary potential in the western settler, and justifying why I will only ever organize with Black formations. You, and everyone like you can't even bear to cop to the thread of history which your story is sewn in, let alone figure out how to rectify that state. This is exactly why I have no time, faith, or camaraderie for the white 'left'.
As usual, we'll have to get it our own damn selves, with you people constantly in our way. What I get for discoursing with people John Brown would've turned into a speed loader. And no, that you consider true, fully-reparated Black liberation to be 'Black supremacy exactly the same as the white variety", I fucking spit on you; and have no further interest humoring your eurofascist ass. I hope when they find you, it's in shrapnel-studded pieces.
https://readsettlers.org/
If you suggest we have to somehow "rectify" the mistakes of our ancestors (ours even?) beyond promoting equality of all people, I regret to inform you that "historic justice" is a component of fascist rhetoric.
The only good response to inequality in the past is struggling for equality in the present. Otherwise you promote the same discrimination, just the kind that benefits you, based in part on history you personally never got to experience. And if that's the case, I'm double disgusted.
We should put much more resources to improving conditions in predominantly black neighborhoods - precisely because they are far worse than white ones on average. We should heavily invest in providing decent quality of life in Africa, where most black people live, despite everyone only seemingly caring about blacks in the Western world. We should drop the perception of black people as dangerous gangstas holding pistols in the pockets - all while promoting conditions that would foster better living standards and security. We should ensure everyone is truly equal in the face of law. We should ensure people of any origin have equal access to job opportunities, education, healthcare, proper accommodation. I stand for that. But the moment you suggest we should somehow "rectify" mistakes done by other people in other times, what do you even mean? Should we build a black supremacist world to "compensate" for the injustice of the past? If yes, you're a black supremacist scumbag that is not an iota better than white ones. If no, I welcome you to explain what you mean.
Oh and - in case this will add some context to what I say - I am not American. I live on the land that was originally an empty swamp. Through series of wars, it was occupied by the Vikings, Finns, Swedes, and Russians, with local population counting in, like, hundreds, all white and European, of various ethnicities. So, it was never a colony to begin with, more of a barren cold land with some outcasts that only possessed strategic value due to access to the sea that wasn't completely frozen during the winter. This led to the formation of first Swedish and Russian fortresses that eventually, just 300 or do years ago, have been widely populated and turned into cities.