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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, are you incapable of having any sympathy for individuals that walked into what seemed to be peaceful but turned into a warzone?

Sure, the Israel Palestine conflict has been going on since 1948 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

But if your work told you to go on a quick in and out trip to Jamaica would you know there's an older persistent conflict that could cause you harm? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_political_conflict

Shit Sudan and Myanmar both have higher body counts so far. You check with the state department and lists of all armed conflicts before all your trips?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, what I mean is that you have sympathy for 18 individuals, but you are ignoring the 2,000,000 Palestinians living on that prison, as I said, getting killed, injured and humiliated for decades. So where is your sympathy to the 2,000,000 Palestinians? I think you don't have any because your government is telling you "Hamas is terrorist" (like Instagram bug with their translator, changing Palestine to terrorists) and they are so bad... but they not telling you all the bad things Israel is doing. Israel didn't kill more than 50 Hamas members with those attacks they are doing (they don't even care to release the people kidnapped), they are just killing citizens and then plan to eliminate them all and kick them from their small territory (Gaza). You don't even seems to know the reason of why Hamas did that attack on 7/10.

https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=l8qay1Al7Dc

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process

Nevertheless, there is a range of ulterior motives for Israel's denial of Palestinian statehood. If Palestine were declared a state, then immediately, Israel, by its present occupation of the West Bank will be in breach of the United Nations Charter. Palestine, as a state, could legitimately call upon the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense under Article 51 of the Charter to remove Israel from the occupied territories. Palestine, as a state, would be able to accede to international conventions and bring legal action against Israel on various matters. Palestine could accede to various international human rights instruments, such as the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. It could even join the International Criminal Court and file cases against Israel for war crimes. It would be a tinderbox of a situation that is highly likely to precipitate conflict in the Middle East.[27]

There is a lively debate around the shape that a lasting peace settlement would take (see for example the One-state solution and Two-state solution). Authors like Cook have argued that the one-state solution is opposed by Israel because the very nature of Zionism and Jewish nationalism calls for a Jewish majority state, whilst the two-state solution would require the difficult relocation of half a million Jewish settlers living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.[28] The Palestinian leaders such as Salam Fayyad have rejected calls for a binational state or unilateral declaration of statehood. As of 2010, only a minority of Palestinians and Israelis support the one-state solution.[29] Interest in a one-state solution is growing, however, as the two-state approach fails to accomplish a final agreement.[30][31]

That's why Israel will never make peace.

Various "transfers of power and responsibilities" in the Gaza Strip and West Bank from Israel to the Palestinians took place in the mid-1990s.[39] The Palestinians achieved self-governance of major cities in the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. Israel maintained and continues to maintain a presence in the West Bank for security reasons. In 2013 Israel still had control of 61% of the West Bank, while the Palestinians had control of civic functions for most of the Palestinian population.

So they never wanted to give back the Palestine territory.