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[–] [email protected] 110 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Anyone who sits here and claims that they were going to vote for Harris, but Liz Cheney showing up with her one time was just a bridge too far to the point where they were willing to let Trump return to power never had an intent of voting for Harris in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did you read the article? And if so, was it before or after constructing your straw man?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Not the OP, but I started reading it, and the first sentence is starting the bullshit already.

Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020.

There were 1 million more votes for Trump than in 2020, while there were 14 million fewer votes for Harris compared to Biden. So while it's technically true it's ignoring the damned elephant in the room. 13 million people didn't sit out this election or switch sides because of Liz Cheney.

If the very first sentence is already this disingenuous, the rest of the article isn't even worth wasting my time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The followup is that sitting with Cheney wasted time that could have been spent reaching those 14M instead of wasting it on people who were never going to vote Harris.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

14 million isn't something Harris could do on her own. They left because the Dem establishment gave no reason to show they cared about people. While the Republican were saying "it's hard, we'll fix it" the Dems kept insisting "it's actually not that bad".

Obviously the Reps "fix" will be worse, but the Dems just stuck their head in the sand and ignored everything the average American needs to get by on a daily basis. It's why 14 million voters abandoned them. 1 million went to Trump, the other 13 million gave up.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

They left because the Dem establishment gave no reason to show they cared about people

Maybe not hanging around with Liz Cheney would be a start on that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Your numbers are a bit off, counting votes is still happening. We are currently at 97%. Trump is up about 1.6 million more votes than 2020 and Harris is down about 8.4 million votes from Biden 2020.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

Claiming Liz Cheney is responsible for 13 million people not voting is the bullshit.

2020 had the highest voter turnout ever because of the pandemic.

Billionaires were doing things like buying votes to avoid being taxed by Kamala.

Republicans convinced many Americans that Biden and his “radical left wing” policies were responsible for inflation.

Enemy nations like China and Russia favored Trump and used their bot farms accordingly.

No one I know that voted irl ever even cared about Liz Cheney.

The idea that Liz Cheney could sway 13 million votes is ridiculous.

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