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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

People who say protests are useless should be cursed with diarrhea farts every time they sneeze

Maybe the point of the protest is to bring awareness to the public?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Awareness of what? As badly informed as most people are, I'm still certain that most Americans know Trump won.

I'm all for protests, and lord knows we will be needing them, but protests should have some kind of coherent demands. The left wastes a ton of energy spinning it's wheels.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe the point of the protest is to bring awareness to the public?

Maybe. How useful is "awareness"?

When I look at the biggest protests in the US there's plenty of awareness about around all the biggest protests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size

Going down that list, it's hard to find evidence that the awareness got us anywhere.

  1. George Floyd - We keep saying his name. Has there been any change in police violence or accountability?
  2. Earth day - We've been talking about this forever and we keep breaking records on extreme weather events.
  3. 2017 Women's March - We just elected the chief pussy grabber.
  4. March for Our Lives - Guns are still everywhere.
  5. 2018 Women's March - See number 3.
  6. RickyRenunicia - I have to pass on this one. I have no idea what the state of corruption in PR is.
  7. Great American Boycott - Democrats switched to agreeing with Republicans on immigration.
  8. LGB - You can reasonably argue that sexuality related rights have improved. It's not clear that this protest was a particular catalyst for that. If we want to pin things on a single event, Stonewall probably had a bigger impact.
  9. Anti Nuclear - More countries than ever believe they need nukes to survive. We're now unironically talking about the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
  10. Million Man March - See number 1

I could go on, but the track record for the 10 biggest protests isn't great.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Whatever you say, diarrhea farts

You can type all that but not do even a tiny bit of research to look at thousands of examples worldwide and in history?

https://now.org/about/history/history-of-marches-and-mass-actions/

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's cute that you can call me names.

Can you also articulate positive changes that have resulted from the 10 biggest protest?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Women's Suffrage was fairly significant and the Civil Rights movement also used protests. Then in the 2000s people rose up against the canceling of Firefly and demanded a movie as compensation. Serenity was that movie and it was awesome and it remains amazing.

Finally, internationally one man named Gandhi used nonviolence to defeat the British empire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Then in the 2000s people rose up against the canceling of Firefly and demanded a movie as compensation

lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Women's Suffrage (and additional rights) and the Civil Rights movement both had many successes. They also used many tactics and strategies besides protests and that makes it hard to attribute their success to protests. That's why I looked at the 10 largest protests in the US on Wikipedia. There's obviously some subjectivity to which protests are the most salient but it's fair to assume that a large number of those should actually be the most important protests. The fact that we didn't see progress as a response to any of the biggest protests suggests that they don't have much of an impact.

I view the Firefly situation a bit differently too. We actually wanted them to bring Firefly back as a show. As near as I can tell Joss made the movie (which I agree was and still is awesome) because he loved the story and wanted to finish it. He may have been uplifted by the support of the fans but he didn't give in to anyone's demands. Fans kept badgering him to pick the series up after the movie and argued that the success of the movie proved that the series would make money but he told us that wasn't possible because too many of the actors where on other projects. I have to admit that Summer Glau made a pretty good terminator.

Ghandi is an interesting case. He also used many tactics and strategies beyond protest and he was dealing with a very different situation. Their oppressor was thousands of miles away and got a bit tied up with bigger problems. There is also a strong academic consensus that he likely delayed Indian independence.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not me that needs to write that history essay, it's you. I'm not doing your work for you. Try reading a book.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How about you can the "I'm-not-gonna-do-your-work-for-you" shit and just answer the question, if you can? Because it sounds like you're just trying to save face because he has your ass over a barrel and you know it.

Maybe we should stop being in denial about how useless the left is in this country and actually organize into an effective voting block.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And once I write his essay, taking up my time from the ongoing civil war coverage and totally unpaid labor you feel entitled to even though it's my body... once I write that, he will move the goalposts again to nowthe top 20 protests or whatever. I already listed a source that was more than adequate with many examples. Why do you need me to rewrite expert opinion? Do you lack the reading level necessary to read it yourself? If so, there are old civil rights speeches you can watch.

ass over a barrel

First off, no, he looks stupid and uneducated about a civil rights issue with decades of expert literature and second this is an insane thing to say to a woman in the middle of 'your body, my choice.' Stop with the rape talk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well you can either put up, or shut up.

See how I effectively countered your bullshit diatribe with one sentence? It was that easy because you're wrong.