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Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM::The platform was to use GM's Ultium batteries.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (37 children)

Crazy to see how far behind Japanese car manufacturers are getting these days. Japan disrupted the auto market and made small, fuel efficient, cars popular. Now Honda and Toyota are starting to feel like 70’s Detroit.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Meanwhile Hyundai and Kia are absolutely smashing it (in Europe and Asia) with their cheap, reliable cars

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Prius anyone? Still a better approach than a full electric.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PHEV's are getting reclassified/re-regulated by the EU, because:

  • The stated average emissions are based on actually plugging in to charge, which most owners don't bother with, considering electric propulsion only accounts for like 1/15 of the cars total range

  • It has been regulated in a way that gave the manufacturer only small emissions penalty for increasing the motor size & weight of the car - because it was still considered to be electrically powered.

  • The design itself leads to a heavier car (having 2 propulsion systems)

Meanwhile, the full EV market has been more self-regulating in the sense that they have kept the weight/energy requirements down in order be competitive on range.

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