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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (35 children)

Great. Glad to see that we're learning nothing here. If I wasn't pushed into despair by the election results, seeing progressives respond this way to the loss might push me over the edge.

We are a bigoted country, no doubt. But, our working class is struggling. People are inherently good, inherently bad, brilliant, dumb, and all sorts of combinations of those. Material conditions, messaging, and framing all work together in bringing out these different sides of ourselves both at the societal and individual level.

Responding to this loss with "the only way to win is to be racist" is basically just giving up and saying the fascists are right. If we decide to roll over and die because we're too chickenshit to fight, too cynical to have any imagination, and too self-pitying to even lift a finger, the most vulnerable of us (which includes me) will perish.

We HAVE to be better than this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Responding to this loss with "the only way to win is to be racist" is basically just giving up and saying the fascists are right.

Nobody is saying that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean... it's hard to interpret "the problem is her messaging is she didnt come across as a white man with grievances..." as anything but claiming sexism and racism. There's hyperbole there, but blaming the loss on those factors assumes that people couldn't have possibly abstained from voting, or voted against her without those factors. I don't believe that's the case.

Too frequently we call people these things and basically lock them out of discussion. For example, if you called me a racist, I'd no longer trust anything else you said to me because I know myself and clearly you like telling people things you know nothing about. I think that exchange happened with a bunch of people, which is why there were so many people who just assumed many of the things said about Trump were just political lies made to discredit him. After they experienced the same hyperbole themselves.

That said... theres alot of bigots out there too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I think you're right.

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