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This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the real metric that matters is that way way less people voted. not many people changed their votes from last time. many people are simply convinced to stay home, and as always, that results in a Republican win. the propaganda that was most effective was all of the "Kamala is no true Scotsman, so you should just not vote". i believe this was lost by the people that "refused to vote for genocide". i think that's what accelerated the genocide.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really doubt double-digit millions of voters sat out because of Gaza.

Kamala's vote total is roughly in line with what would be expected looking at 2008, 2012, and 2016. The massive turnout in 2020 on the Dem side appears to be an abberation - it was unique circumstances with COVID and all that. On the Republican side, Trump ran slightly ahead of his 2020 performance, and well ahead of 2016.

It's basic electoral politics: Trump has succeeded at expanding his base of support and turning them out to vote reliably. The Democrats have not. No single issue is responsible for that.

You can blame protests or Gaza or third parties or whoever else you want - the truth remains that the Dem base from the Obama years is not large enough and not appropriately distributed to win an election against Trump's base; whatever else you think of the man, he has been very good at gaining and retaining support.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

but all of the same things could be said about Biden. he won. what changed?

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

2020 was different from 2024. It was a very unique set of circumstances with an election in the middle of pandemic, with an incumbent who was never broadly popular, amidst utterly terrible economic conditions.

Still, Trump's base showed up, just as they did on Tuesday.

Biden had the benefit of all the unlikely voters not being able to ignore the country burning down around them, he got a lot of dissatisfied people who don't pay attention to politics to come out.

Harris didn't, she got the Dem base. People broadly dissatisfied at the state of things probably voted Trump since he isn't the incumbent.

Just how it works - voters don't have to be rational.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

True but I think that's probably more of deep red state residents seeing their vote not matter live on TV every fucking election. I've seen the federal turnout but I haven't compared state to state turnout yet and I would imagine that's probably a better metric since like 30% of the population live where their vote makes no difference.