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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this is good data. it feels weird to open a post with an insult only to then align with what i said albeit with more nuance than i could be bothered to add in a post on an internet forum. the brå statistic is a bit more dour than i'd wished. it would be interesting to see the number per capita, as our population has swelled a lot since 2000.

and yeah, the values thing. i am all for "when in rome", and that seems increasingly uncommon. i have never encountered it personally but it is obviously happening. i wouldn't take it as far as the previous guy did though, because you get into Nyheter Idag territory if you go that way.

also the research article cuts off before the migrant crisis started...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

also the research article cuts off before the migrant crisis started…

The migrant crisis was already at its peak in 2015 (when the data cut off). Other studies on general crime suggests further skewing of demographics after 2015, but they do not study specifically sexual crimes.

then align with what i said albeit with more nuance than i could be bothered to add

Except it doesn't. Your conclusions were that (a) this is only because our social systems are breaking down, (b) attacks on women & lgbt individuals are perpetrated by nazis and has stayed the same, (c) rape has not increased.

On (a), I contrast your singular cause with the fact that social breakdown is caused by a combination of what you mentioned, what the original guy mentioned (albeit in somewhat more polite terms) and a failure to align the amount of people that were taken in with the capacity of our social systems.

On (b) & (c), these statements are just plain wrong, as indicated by both the BRÅ data and the linked study. The trend of sex crimes increasing starts before the change in definitions, and they are (according to the cited study) usually perpetrated by non-Swedes.

As for population increase, the number of registered people in Sweden was 10'551'707 on dec. 31st 2023 and 8'975'670 on dec. 31st 2003, which is an increase of 20%. Thus, accounting for the population increase, the rate of sex crimes in Sweden has increased by 103.6% since the year 2003 and rapes by 208%.

E: 2000 -> 2003

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you're sort of mixing my points together in order to get the least charitable interpretation. the "only" and "and" are doing some heavy lifting. i don't feel like doing this whole semantic song and dance every time i post something just because people refuse to read between the lines. let's leave it at you gave numbers and those numbers taught me something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, you did the same with the OP, even if their wording may have been a bit more sensationalist than yours :)

I'm glad you found the data enlightening though, feel free to poke me if you want some pointers on finding data on BRÅ or SCB, they're veritable treasure troves of info and it's all publicly available.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

i spend a lot of time with scb data, its fascinating stuff.