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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's a really interesting point. Ungoliant kind of exists outside the established power structure of the Ainur, considering she came from outside Arda, but was never mentioned as participating in the first music of the Ainur (there's no real established origin for Ungoliant, other than "evil spirit from outside the bounds of Arda"). No matter who you are, being called to fight "unknowable ancient Eldritch spider deity" is a pretty horrifying task, and Melkor was even known to have fear when facing much smaller enemies.

One interesting point is how much emphasis Tolkien puts on Ungoliant's powers being focused around darkness and "unlight". Balrogs, being spirits of fire, seem like a natural enemy to a creature of pure darkness, so that might have boosted their comparative power against Ungoliant despite their low numbers.

Another thing to consider is that Melkor was never known to show understanding or mercy to his servants who failed him. I would have to think that any balrog who failed to come to his aid would have been killed (or worse as you postulate) as soon as Morgoth was freed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Another thing to consider is that Melkor was never known to show understanding or mercy to his servants who failed him. I would have to think that any balrog who failed to come to his aid would have been killed (or worse as you postulate) as soon as Morgoth was freed.

Hah, now I'm imagining an alternate, sillier Arda where the balrogs had the same conversation as the villain's abused lackeys did at the end of Disney's Hercules. (A really underappreciated movie, IMO. Just don't watch it expecting it to be about the Greek myth.)

He's not going to be happy when he gets out of there.

You mean if he gets out of there!

If. If is good...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Balrogs, being spirits of fire, seem like a natural enemy to a creature of pure darkness

If memory serves I believe Balrogs are beings of fire, shadow, and darkness. I thought their "wings" were a mix of fire and smoke that they exuded and which Tolkien described as them being cloaked in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

The balrogs were fire maia that were corrupted by Melkor into beings of fire cloaked in shadow. I interpret that to mean they're primarily beings of fire that "wear" shadow over themselves (which composes their wings)