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Half of Jabalia ethnically cleansed by Israeli army as schools burned and men kidnapped (www.middleeasteye.net)

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Under the cover of heavy air strikes and artillery shelling, large Israeli ground forces directly and systematically attack homes and buildings used as shelters by displaced families, forcing everyone out at gunpoint.

The buildings, including UN schools and houses, are subsequently either razed or burned by Israeli soldiers to prevent people from returning.

Troops then separate men from women, before taking them to humiliating field interrogations and later abducting many of them to unknown locations.

Women and children are forced to head south of Jabalia refugee camp. Some were bombed and killed as they fled, according to media reports

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dissolving Israel doesn't mean kicking every Jewish person out. There are Jewish people in Palestine already, and the point is to make a multiethnic state, not replace one ethnostate with another. Many Israelis would definitely leave for a number of reasons, very much like how a meaningful part of the white population fled South Africa in the wake of Apartheid being defeated, but there are houses where there are no other claimants and, God forbid, the remaining former Israelis can also just buy or rent homes instead of stealing them. There would be a big population shift, but there is absolutely no need to build a 10-million-person-ark.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Forced integration of 10 million Jews into two Arab countries razed to the ground by Jews definitely feels like trading one crisis for another. There is going to just be more bloodshed except now with a new paragraph added to Wikipedia

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The highly racial framing you are using is one that even Hamas rejects. Palestine is an Arab country in the sense that it's mostly Arab, it is not Arab in the sense of being an ethnostate like Israel. Likewise, the point of conflict here is not that the Israelis are Jews, but that they are former colonizers, aside from the second-class citizen Arab (etc.) Israelis. Jews do alright in Palestine right now.

Even if it just stopped there, the fact that there would be some hate crimes as blowback from the genocide committed by Israel is a much smaller and more manageable problem than having a rogue state launching hellfire missiles indiscriminately at cities.

But I think there are other factors to consider, first among them being that people of Palestine have the much more important jobs of a) reconstruction and b) the extensive trials that will be required, along with their associated fact-finding missions. There's a lot of shit to do and most of it is for the direct benefit of Palestinians, plus any spite they have can be satisfied by the just convictions of countless Israeli criminals. It's not like they are some racist savages who won't be satisfied until the last Jew has been bled dry, contrary to their hasbara depiction. Overwhelmingly, what they want is to live in peace, because so many of them have spent their whole lives living under violence.

So nothing about this seems like it would be an equivalent problem to leveling one of the most densely populated cities in the world, plus all the other shit that is going on. It is, in function, just a refusal to allow any blowback Israelis caused to actually hit them, no matter how many Arabs get slaughtered in the meantime.

I do agree with the other commenter that it would be good for some NATO-sphere country or countries to set aside land and migrate out those non-criminal Israelis who want to leave, but that's almost certainly not ever going to happen. I acknowledge that it's possible, but the use of Israelis to these states is as a ranks of a militarist state terrorizing its neighbors. What use would Israelis be to the imperial project in Alberta, Canada?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It should also be noted that the biggest proponent of the idea that decolonization means turning the tables and just moving around the designations of first and second class citizens, is the colonizers themselves, because that's the only reality they know. You see this in discussions regarding decolonization in the US/Canada as well, where white people think that somehow means Indigenous people are going to force them out of their houses and kidnap their children as some kind of revenge for white people doing those exact things to Indigenous peoples. That's not what decolonization is, but colonizers keep insisting it is because they simply can't think of it in any other terms, and/or they know full well that they're lying and are deliberately building up a strawman against decolonization in hopes of preventing it from happening.