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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

Reasons that I, as a vegan, do not use honey:

I cannot guarantee that the bees consented to their product being harvested. Some beekeepers clip the queen's wings, which can prevent the colony from leaving.
I cannot guarantee that bees were not harmed in the process of harvesting (potentially getting crushed by the honeycomb frames, for example) or in the process of controlling the colony (like clipping the queen's wings).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Do you personally grow everything you eat? If not, animals (and humans) are absolutely harmed in the process. Commercial agriculture, even organic, kills huge numbers of small animals and destroys habitat just to prepare the soil, not to mention all the insects killed by pesticides. Farmers will also kill deer, wild pigs, birds, etc. to protect their crops. And agriculture in some places still relies on child and/or slave labor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

You are correct. There is more that i can and need to do. That still does not make it good to use honey.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey no wait you're supposed to throw your hands in the air and just eat industrially farmed animal corpses because there are also negative outcomes of vegetable production so obviously the two are completely equivalent

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nice strawman, strawberry. The point is that avoiding honey to reduce possible harm is vain at best.

But since you want to talk about meat, I'm curious about your opinion of hunting.

Do you know how animals die in the wild? The lucky ones get hit by a car and die instantly. The rest die from disease and starvation, both agonizing slow deaths, or they are literally eaten alive by predators.

If the aim of veganism is to reduce animal suffering, surely you would support ethical hunting, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

the goal of veganism is to reduce animal exploitation.

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