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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago (18 children)

Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….

Or are the rules different?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

Stein's campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.

It's one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it's another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,...). Sure, they're not explicitly racist, 'just' war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.

Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?

Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why can't she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?

They would've probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.

Instead they're trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Because sadly, FAR more people give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her. (Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)

Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.

And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.

She knows you exist.

And she knows you have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.

We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and you are all holding your vote hostage over shit you didn’t even care about a year ago.

So I’m sorry, but your demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something they are going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…

Lose.

And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.

Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?

Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It’s not vitriol. It’s ridicule.

And about your link there,

  1. It didn’t account for the amount of people (1,000,000) that didn’t vote at all- IE: protest votes.
  2. It didn’t account for Irrelevant Stein votes.

And:

1 in 10 Bernie Bros voted for Trump.

The Bros helped trump

So just stop it already. It’s too late to bother with this. If you’re not voting, that’s your right. But please stand aside and stop interfering with those that are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

bragging about getting them.

What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago

I don't need to watch anything to know that what you're implying isn't reality

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