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Screenshot of a Mastodon post - A picture of the bridge of the Enterprise-D from Star Trek The Next Generation’s first season. In it are Captain Picard, Doctor Crusher, and Wesley Crusher in the Captain’s chair.

The text reads:
“Wil Wheaton is now five years older than Patrick Stewart was in the pilot of Star Trek the next generation. Have your bones demineralized and fallen apart yet?”

Original post @ Mastodon

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To be fair, there is someday going to be a generation where that doesn't happen (assuming humans don't obliterate themselves first). Eventually it's practically a certainty that we will develop the means to preserve humans indefinitely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You may achieve biologic immortality, but you will still age mentally, get jaded and bored. Unless someone also invents being mind wiped after so many centuries. But then you might as well just die normally again right? What is the difference between a person who has no memory of their past and a new person.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Is this not reincarnation with extra steps?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I wonder if we do ever create some form of immortality, if we discover that the human psyche has some kind of 'wall' where a person just doesn't want to live anymore. Not due to health or personal life issues, just that there is a time limit on sanity that we don't know about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

That’s a very common trope in sci-fi. More recently, I remember it from In Time with Justin Timberlake.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'd be fine with being biologically immortal and having the option to choose when to die, that seems absolutely perfect to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many really old people say that they're 'done' with life, so I guess?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Many old people are too frail to enjoy the things they used to. I mean maybe one would still get bored of life if they had eternal youth, but I suspect it would take much longer, not considering mental illness and such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, the ones that I thought of meant that they were finished with life, as in have done what they wanted and being content with being at lifes end. So I mean, probably people would get to the point where they're 'done'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not a certainty. It makes sense to the "monkey chatter" in your head, but it doesn't make sense from an evolutionary psychology point of view. The individual has no real value to the genetic processes that drive us. Individuals that hang around too long are detrimental to those genetic processes. There are biological reasons that suicide and "going off to die" is so common not only among humans, but many other animals. Outside of our ego, which contributes so strongly to our monkey chatter but less strongly to our actual behaviours, we don't really want to live forever.

Even from a technical point of view, it flies in the face of every assumption life is built upon. Death is essential to every biological process that spans organisms. We would have to create an inhuman thing outside of biology that is neither alive nor dead. It is debatable whether that is an extension of life rather than a transformation into something else, still destroying the old thing.