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Yes, logos are designed to be remembered, but that's not the point. We are so hopelessly out of touch with nature. How can we protect something we don't understand and don't value?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

So you are of the opinion that strong and sustainable environment protections can produce a Capitalism that isn't exploitative of nature?

Yes. Capitalism isn't my preference for an economic system, but I'm ok, at least for the short term. There needs to be a lot stronger regulations on all fronts for me to accept it more than I do.

But you essentially support sustainable industrial Capitalism, as long as your environment criteria is met?

Yes. Again, I don't love capitalism, but it's the system I'm currently stuck with. Changing economic systems entirely seems like a gargantuan task, thus amending the system with more regulation seems to be a somewhat achievable first step to a better system

...so does that mean you understand people recognizing brands, and being disconnected from nature? Because I don't think your suggestions would prevent that phenomena.

Yes, but I think the systems as they are have pushed us too far, and people now no longer see the value in nature because of capitalism.

Sorry you feel I'm riding you, or if it seems like I'm expecting you to have all the answers. Sorry if you feel attacked or something. I'm just picking your brain.

We good, fam. My viewpoint isn't underdeveloped: I know the steps I want to see taken, and what a greener future looks like, but I wasn't going to bore you with all that.

I have a vague idea that Solarpunk has neoliberal Capitalist inclinations (is a dream of a "Neo-capitalism"), and has an underdeveloped understanding of how Capitalism forms an inevitable system of totalitarian exploitation that can never simply or completely be resolved right?

I don't think so. Ask some of the other slrpnks here, and they are much, much, more anti-capitalist than what I describe. A lot are anarchists.

Someone is still slaving over the solar panels to coat them in curious chemicals and highly processed additives...

Do they have adequate PPE, safety standards, and a hazardous waste management plan? Are the chemicals able to be safely disposed of or reused? Then I'm ok with it. Otherwise, no.

Oh I better stop there before you accuse me of meandering again.

I suppose I deserve that. There's nothing wrong going into the werea a bit, provided it supports a point. I don't see how extraction you were talking about did that.

But I will say, the purpose vs actual function of people's fantasy worlds interests me. WHY we dream what we dream, and HOW that might break down if it became a full realised reality.

Sadly, it probably is fantasy. We are doing everything we can BUT reducing emissions. We are doing everything but making meaningful conversions of land or stopping future incursion and resource exploitation.