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The one thing that requires zero effort is shutting the motherfucking hell UP during a lesson, but my 8th grade students can't seem to make it happen, so I separated their desks yesterday afternoon and pointed all of them forward, and they'll no longer be engaging in group work.
Edit: Because we have a bunch of Dunning-Krugers in this comment thread, I will clarify.
I've been teaching for 18 years. This is my 6th year teaching 8th grade. I have four classes with more than 30 students, and a full third of the students in all six classes won't stop talking. This is not an incompetent first-year teacher saying this. This is not a jaded, about-to-retire teacher saying this. This is not just a paycheck for me. It is my vocation and I take it seriously. I earned a Bachelor's in education and a Master's in math education; my K12 students generally love my classes because I am knowledgeable and make math fun to learn, and I always get the highest evaluation scores for the undergraduate classes with students regularly saying "I always used to struggle with/be afraid of/hate math, but [teacher] helped me get my first A/B ever in a math class."
The entire school...from the teachers to the administrators...knows what I know about this group of 8th graders, that the behavior of one-third of them is beyond the pale. None of us has had a set of students like these before, and none of us has a great solution. So we are just going to take away all privileges and give them back slowly over time once they've shown that they have earned them.
It's not just that they talk to much. It is that it is a third of every class, that they make it impossible to teach the two-thirds who are capable of being decent students on any given day, that they take pride and literal pleasure in being disruptions, that they have little shame or humility and thus no impetus to allow their teachers to teach, that phone calls home are fruitless, that we have little recourse as far as the administration is concerned and have to keep them in class, that I am autistic with auditory processing disorder and can't understand what a kid right in front of me is saying even with me putting my ear right next to their mouth and them repeating their question three times...
So please save armchair teachering because you really, really don't know what you're talking about.
Shocking that the offspring of a species that became the dominant species on this planet exactly because we evolved nearly effortless communication and social traits would be inclined to be social with other people.
Not saying you're a bad teacher, you just fighting an uphill battle against our natural instinct to be social creatures in an education system that does everything it can to ignore that kids generally do like and actuall do need to be social for healthy development.
I've been teaching for 18 years. Every year before this one, things have gone relatively well. They talk a little, I quiet them down, we have a lesson, time is embedded in it for group work, and I tell them I'd like 85% of their conversation to be about the assignment. Most kids are decent. A few are superb. Some do jack shit and I struggle all year to get them to do anything. And about 5% of the students cause problems and make it harder for their classmates to learn, but they get dealt with.
Not this year. Four classes of 30+, and in all six classes a full third of the 8th grade students can't see beyond two seconds from now. My shit is getting stolen, students leave their binder in their locker when they're supposed to bring it to every single class in the building, and their entire purpose in any given moment is to say/do/destroy whatever they can to create laughs/anger/shock in someone else, who could as easily be right in front of them as they could be on the opposite end of the room. A third. Of each class. And it is relentless. The teacher next door to me had her interactive TV display destroyed by a kid yesterday...the screen is completely shattered.
Every teacher that shares these kids is having the exact same issues across the board. So we are presenting a united front and shutting it the fuck down.
Oof, that sounds rough. Are these the kids got hit hardest by the pandemic lockdowns? If so, maybe there's a glimmer of hope that this is an aberration and next year will be a bit more 'normal ', if you can get through this year with your sanity intact. It's got to be rough on the kids too, the ones who aren't causing trouble must still be struggling to deal with itm and the ones who are just sound desperate.
I enjoy teaching, or at least, transferring knowledge and experience, I'll do it to pretty much anyone who sits still long enough, and I've been told I'm good at it, but you couldn't pay me enough to teach a classroom full of kids all day, so you have my respect for that.
Good luck, and I hope things get better for the kids and teachers everywhere.
The prevalent theory among my colleagues is that it was something about the age these students were during virtual learning (ages 9-11) that may have been the deciding factor in why they are comparably so much worse behaved that any class of students before or after them, but I couldn't say.
Samesies. I love teaching, but sometimes I really dislike "being a teacher" because of the lack of support or any attempt at understanding what actually goes on inside the classroom day-to-day by admins, parents, or community members. I am good with mentoring a couple students each year and going them overcome their issues. But I don't have the capacity to do it for all 50+ kids who are making it impossible for the other 120 to learn.
Thanks, preesh.
whatever happened to failing grades and detention?
or just bring back the dunce cap and the ruler and make em stare at the corner