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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Plastics are not rocks in funny shapes. We are made of plastics. They're just unusual compounds which no primary decomposer has developed yet.

That's not to say we shouldn't address the issue, but it's important to understand what the issue actually is. The fact that plastics are familiar yet unfamiliar compounds is actually what causes the problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Where do you get the idea we are made of plastics? Not necessarily throwing shade, just.. I'm a molecular biologist and at first pass that seems like a stretch. I'd be excited to be wrong

Thermosets and thermoplastics, right? Not sure that we have that going on in there...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Plastic as a term only makes sense to not include biological polymers if we define it to only be man-made polymers. It's arbitrary semantics, so I find it's better to be inclusive to help show the chemical quirks than to be exclusive on arbitrary lines.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's fine if you want to draw some conceptual comparisons between biological and synthetic polymers, but it's 100% not true that "plastics" as defined as synthetic, organic polymers (I.e. acrylics, silicones, polyesters, polyurethanes, halogenated plastics, thermosets, thermoplastics et al.) are the same on a chemical basis as most biological polymers.

Like... where are you drawing the line? Are proteins a plastic? Is starch plastic? Is DNA plastic? RNA? Clearly not, by multiple definitions (bioavailability, reactivity, structure and function, persistence in the environment, etc.). Even biological compounds closer to synthetic polymers (cellulose, chitin, etc.) are definitively different, even if they do have longer persistence, lower reactivity, etc. And bioplastics (like what people mean when they say biodegradable plastics) are heat-modified biological polymers. They don't come out of a living thing that way; they are fundamentally altered from their previous form.

I guess I just... disagree that the distinction is "arbitrary semantics"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All of these types of plastic you're using as counterexamples are more distinct from each other than they are from biological polymers.

Plastics are a ridiculously diverse group of chemicals, not including naturally occurring polymers is anthropocentric and not always useful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What, in your opinion, is the semantic difference between the words plastic and polymer?

What is your word of choice to distinguish between naturally occurring and lab-made polymers?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It depends on the context. Sometimes plastic is good for that, but in this case I don't believe that it is.

Plastic is not a rigorous term. When discussing specific plastics it's petty much always better to describe specifics, because plastics are too diverse of chemistry to do anything else.

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