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Alabama is set to perform the second-ever nitrogen gas execution in the United States on Thursday.

Alan Eugene Miller, 59, was sentenced to death for the 1999 murders of his then-coworkers Lee Holdbrooks and Christoper Scott Yancy, and his former supervisor Terry Lee Jarvis.

Miller was to be executed in September 2022 via lethal injection, but it was called off after officials had trouble inserting an intravenous line to administer the fatal drugs and were concerned they would not be able to do so before the death warrant expired.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Nitrogen has become this Schrödingers gas.

When used in executions it's extremely painful and terrible. When used for assisted Euthanasia it's calm and painless.

So what is it? Not arguing that death penalty is fine. But the debate of the method shouldn't be riddled with lies as it poisons the debate climate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the case of the first nitrogen execution, they did dick all to vent away the carbon dioxide he was exhaling, so it eventually saturated the gas he was able to breathe and his lungs wouldn't have been able to get rid of any more. When you hold your breath, the discomfort and urge to breathe again comes from the CO2 buildup rather than the lack of oxygen.

If the exhaled gas gets vented properly, then there's no discomfort. That they didn't get this part right for the execution suggests malice, or at the very least extreme negligence because it doesn't take expertise to understand this, just a little bit of depth in knowing how suffocation works. Which you'd figure people designing and carrying out an execution would seek.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A big part of it was scientific illiteracy. There was talk at the time about "protecting the prison officers from exposure to the gas".

They were treating it like a poison.

Which adds stupidity to the malice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Assuming that "concern" was in good faith in the first place. I believe it was a bad faith pretext for not venting the gas because it's a well known fact that nitrogen makes up a significant portion of the atmosphere. If they were really worried about the nitrogen displacing enough oxygen to be dangerous, I can think of several ways to eliminate that risk even if I play along and accept that it's possible.

  1. Vent the room. Or use a large room and a fan.
  2. Place oxygen meters in the room that sound an alarm if oxygen drops below 20%.
  3. Give oxygen masks to anyone who needs to be in the room.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Instead they went with the stupidest and most cruel option. Make sure there's no ventilation on the mask, and that it had a tight seal before turning on the gas. A gas they were treating like a deadly poison.

And since there was no ventilation at all, there was no gas flow. There was no oxygen displacement. Just the CO2 buildup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Ah yeah that would be cruel as fuck. Are they doing anything different this time or are they going to torture someone else to death?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Having seen firsthand what happens when someone unknowingly enters a hypoxic enclosed space, I think the difference is foreknowledge. Thrashing sounds like acidosis from holding one's breath. I was helping an acquaintance work on his old steel boat. There was a watertight compartment. The risk of steel-enclosed spaces is that rusty steel in an enclosed space can consume all of the oxygen, leaving only nitrogen rich air.

He opened the hatch and, before I could stop him, he just strode on in like it was nothing. He was unconscious before I could get to him, maybe ten seconds. Fortunately, he was near enough to the hatch that I could just reach in and grab him, rather than trying to find an air tank and regulator, and then put it on.

He recovered just fine, but had a terrible headache. He didn't remember anything about it. He didn't thrash. There was no drama. He walked in and fell unconscious. Lucky for him it was a small space, so the bulkheads kept him from doing a full header into the steel deck.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

When you take a deep breath of it and die the death you’ve been wanting it’s painless. When you want to live your entire body thrashes in pain akin to drowning as you struggle to not breathe in.

This is part of the problem with “humane” execution. If you slip it into meals without prisoner knowledge death row prisoners will starve themselves to death. Start nitrogen bagging sleeping prisoners and they’ll do everything in their power to never sleep. These people want to live and have an intense instinct to survive by any means. Suicidal people can often overcome it, but everyone else will generally endure any pain for a tiny amount of time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the difference is that right-to-die advocates have gone to insane lengths to ensure beyond a reasonable doubt that their setups which administer the lethal substance do so painlessly, so as to ensure that the person willingly choosing to die spends their last few moments not in pain anymore.

Prisons don't seem to have the same standard in mind with their own setups. If anything, they seem to want to maximize suffering for the sake of the spectacle they've arranged the execution around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Most likely they have enough volume in them for that to be unnecessary.