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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently made headlines for calling perennial Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein “predatory” and “not serious.” AOC is right.

Giving voters more choices is a good thing for democracy. But third-party politics isn’t performance art. It’s hard work — which Stein is not doing. As AOC observed: “[When] all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off, but you're just showing up once every four years to do that, you're not serious.”

To be clear: AOC was not critiquing third parties as a whole, or the idea that we need more choices in our democracy. In fact, AOC specifically cited the Working Families Party as an example of an effective third party. The organization I lead, MoveOn, supports their 365-day-a-year efforts to build power for a pro-voter, multi-party system. And I understand third parties’ power to activate voters hungry for alternatives: I myself volunteered for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that experience helped shape my lifelong commitment to people-first politics.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

“It’s never the right time,”, cries liberalism.

It’s all well and good to recognize the structural constraints imposed by America’s political system, and the difficulty of passing major reforms in the face of organized opposition. But for too many of America’s leading liberal politicians, “realism” has become an identity unto itself, unmoored from any programmatic orientation toward the future or sustained effort to bring about significant change.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The fact that you think an op-ed piece is relevant to this discussion shows how you lack the maturity to even be a part of it.

The Green Party is pointless. And the fact that it remains so even with people like you trying to prop it up- exemplifies that.

We’re done here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There are ways to end a discussion without belittling others and hurling insults. We live in a society after all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Whatever makes you feel better about being wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Being right doesn’t justify animosity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It’s funny how you accuse liberals of everything you can throw at them, call them names, and insult them on the regular- then switch at all to being a victim when it serves to make you appear to be on the high road.

I hope you don’t think anyone buys it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not a victim. Just as flawed as everyone else. I do fall into emotional reactionary patterns. But I try to be aware of it, and learn. I don’t hate individuals, just the ideology.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You’ll forgive me if I refuse to look past the shit ton of removals and bans you’ve had for incivility and trolling, while you casually try and pretend to take the high road here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Don’t look to others (hypocritical moderators) to discern the truth, decide for yourself. I’m not voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party. Her interview with Mehdi Hasan was lacking consistency . But the slander and misrepresentation of third parties greatly disturbs me. I understand the desire to elect Harris to prevent Trump, but this smear campaign is at the expense of the truth, and only serves to limit the possibility of future third parties.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago

When an actual third party candidate decides to spend every year between elections doing the work to earn a vote- I’ll take them seriously.

But I’ve yet to ever see one do anything but show up at the eleventh hour with a bunch of speak-a-lot-yet-say-nothing rhetoric that only serves to divide votes.