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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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From r/acab:

FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE

September 16, 2024

On September 8, 2024, 26-year-old Rhyker Earl experienced a medical emergency around 8:30 PM. He underwent a severe seizure at home in Demotte, Indiana. His grandmother called 911 for emergency assistance. EMTs from Keener Township Emergency Medical Services and officers from the Jasper County Sheriff's Office responded. While they were on scene, Rhyker was in a postictal state, trying to recover from his seizure. He was confused and agitated, typical symptoms for someone who had just suffered a severe seizure. As Rhyker was trying to put on shorts to go to the hospital for medical attention, he lost his balance and fell into an officer. At that time officers became aggressive, yelling, "you don't treat law enforcement that way." Officers took Rhyker to the ground and handcuffed him face down on the floor. Multiple officers then remained on top of Rhyker while EMTs administered three separate doses of sedatives. Some of the EMTs on scene had responded earlier in the day to a different location when Rhyker had another, less severe seizure. They knew he was undergoing a medical emergency, and they also knew he had asthma. Officers stayed on top of Rhyker for more than 15 minutes, with his face in a pillow. During this time, Rhyker begged for his life and screamed that he couldn't breathe. His pleas, and those of his aunt and grandmother, were ignored. After more than 15 minutes, Rhyker went limp. His aunt noticed that Rhyker was blue in the face and pleaded with EMTs to do something. After an agonizing few minutes, they finally took Rhyker's pulse and realized he was not breathing. Rhyker was taken to the hospital, but it was too late. After tests confirmed Rhyker had no brain activity, life support measures were terminated on September 10th.

National civil rights attorney Ben Crump, along with Indiana attorney Stephen Wagner, have been retained by Rhyker's family to investigate the circumstances surrounding his death. At this early stage there are still many unanswered questions. Why was Rhyker treated like a criminal, not a patient? Why did officers ignore the obvious risks of prone restraint? Why did they ignore his pleas that he could not breathe? The family's attorneys intend to fully investigate this matter and hold all those responsible for Rhyker's needless death accountable.

During this difficult time, Rhyker's family would like to thank all those who have expressed their condolences on the tragic loss of a young father who was loved by many, especially those who attended the candlelight vigil for Rhyker last evening.

Until their investigation is complete, the family and their attorneys will have no further comment.

Stephen M. Wagner WAGNER REESE, LLP 11939 North Meridian Street Carmel, IN 46032 Email: [email protected] Mobile: (317) 431-6966
One of the Attorneys for the Family of Rhyker Brian Earl

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

the idea is that cops are already more spread out, so if very basic levels of CPR or first aid is necessary, they could provide it as a first tier of a support.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

At this point I think I'd take my chances. More likely to die if an officer is on scene in this country now.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I just shot coffee out of my nose while reading this. The thought of a cop actually showing up with the intent to SAVE A LIFE seems so far fetched that it would be ideal material for an episode of the Twilight Zone at this point. But, yeah, I suppose the official reason for deploying cops to the scene probably wouldn’t be well received if they said, “in case someone (or someone’s dog) needs to be murdered.”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

This is the idea, but it isn't a good idea. Police are given so many jobs, but are only really trained and capable of a few. We should be taking tasks off the plate of police (which they would agree they have too many) and giving them to other groups. This should mean moving funding from police to other response units, otherwise referred to as "defunding the police," but that sounds bad so I guess we can't do that.