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The potential of Trump winning. Unless you live outside of the U.S. or are very privileged a Trump victory would only be devastating.
In a first past the post system like the U.S. has, doing anything but voting for Harris is in fact supporting Trump.
CCP Gray actually put out a good video a while ago explaining why voting 3rd party in a FPTP system only hurts your interests.
In a place like Germany where you have proportional voting none of this applies and you should 100% vote for the best party.
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo?si=y2NtQ2K6g9GkaNwM
Trump winning would have major ramifications for people outside the US also.
True!
Lol who downvoted this
This position assumes that you as voter give a fuck if one or the other party wins.
Why would people care about these politcal parties that essentially do the same thing? If they do sure, vote for your guy but practically speaking for most people shit gets progressively worse as we cycle one geriatric clown for another.
Why not change things up?
I mean if you don’t care if one party or the other wins you could do this, but that just means you are one or both of the following:
Don’t have a sense of empathy for those who would be hurt by a Trump victory.
Are personally privileged enough to not be affected personally. If you live in the USA and feel both parties do the same thing you must be.
Imagine all those people whose lives would be worsened in the USA and all around the world by a Trump victory. Don’t you care? Even the people of Palestine would be worse off and they are already suffering beyond either of our comprehensions.
I encourage everyone to vote with empathy here.
How is voting for 2 parties going to get me out of this trajectory?
also... "empathy" is that what Biden administration use when they supply Israel with tools of genocide? this is not a serious argument...
We had Trump and the world did not end for you. If you live in the USA that makes you one of the privileged. I know many whose world did end. Good for you that you were not affected. But have empathy for those who where.
We had Biden and much harm reduction was done. The downward slope was lessened. Imagine if Trump got a 4th Supreme Court justice! Imagine if Biden was not there to undo the explicitly harmful policies that hurt less privileged people. Biden winning increased in a notable and serious way those who are the least privileged.
It may be true that the American quality of life has gone down. But voting 3rd party only makes it go down faster. If you just don’t care go for it. But the mathematics of FPTP systems mean that voting 3rd party only hurts your interests.
Biden did not act with empathy when he gave supplies to Israel. But Trump will act with glee and encouragement when he would give supplies to Israel.
I encourage everyone to vote with empathy and think of the least privileged when voting everywhere.
"You must support the regime because of trump (who is part of the regime)"
If you are interested in the topic of moral philosophy I have a few book recommendations. I appreciate that you are passionate. I just think an empathy driven ethics is the way to go.
Empathy driven ethics is what's causing people not to vote for the genocidal supporters in the Dem party. I can't even blame them for having a red line that is basically "doing what Hitler did".