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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Meh, if it wasn't for "America", they'd speak Japanese all over Korea, parts of China and Indonesia, a base in Okinawa doesn't sound too bad for an occupation following WW2.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

80% of the Japanese military was being slowly routed in China while America was hopping between islands and building genocide bombs. The American conflict with Japan is better understood as the inevitable clash of two empires expanding into the same place, rather than some kind of rescue of the Koreans, half of whom are still under American occupation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

An oil embargo, lend-lease over the Himalayas and the Pacific war culminating in Japan's surrender helped China repel Japan a lot more than 20%, but sure "death to murica".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to be under the impression that I think America deserves 20% credit for dislodging the Japanese Empire. I'm sorry for giving you this mistaken impression, because in truth America deserves 0% credit for doing it. America did not defeat the Japanese Empire and liberate the former imperial holdings, they simply captured it for themselves instead.

Also the effectiveness of lend-lease and other actions taken by America to weaken their imperial rival economically are greatly overstated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, ok then, you can go back to "death to murica", I'm sure it will help inform your worldview fantastically.

PS: for anyone else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ichi-Go and https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/31/opinions/china-wwii-forgotten-ally-rana-mitter/index.html

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Ichi-Go was pretty futile tbh. It accomplished its strategic goals, but strong Communist control in the countryside led to a drawn out guerilla war that stretched Japanese supply lines to their limit.

Chaing Kai-shek was right in assessing that, by that point, the greatest threat to KMT rule was the Communists rather than the Japanese. That's why so much of his forces were tied up with the Communists rather than against the Japanese.

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