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Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war (www.semafor.com)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You've been trying? Your initial rant seemed very targeted at people and insulting, with plenty of name calling.

You've been disrespecting people from the jump, saying only like 4 people will be able to understand you. You reject the idea that you might be wrong and that other people might have a point. You simply dismiss and attack people who disagree with you. You've had chances to prove your point and didn't, at all, you just attacked people.

Also saying you don't care what's happens in Ukraine is just heartless on a human level. If you don't care if a country gets invaded and their people raped and murdered, well it seems like you don't have any morals. You can say we should support them with money or weapons, I disagree but I can understand that stance. Saying you don't care if they win it's some cold shit.

But regardless, when you enter the conversation saying people won't be able you because they don't get it and attacking groups of people, you don't really have a lot of room to complain about people being disrespectful. You called people who might disagree with you "parrots" and "drones" and here you are talking about disrespect? Then you edited it and called people fragile, just doubling down on the insults. For a guy so upset that people are attacking him for a different opinion, you are did come out of the gate attacking anyone who might disagree with you. Get the fuck out of here with this victim bs.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uhg... I can't respond to such a long rant, but here's some things.

First, you're pretty right about my original comment. It was pretty inflammatory. I regret coming off that way and definitely could have written with more tact. Honestly, I wasn't wrong, though. 80% of the responses have been ignorant, insulting personal attacks. Yours now included.

Sigh... ok. You're mostly wrong because you're making assumptions, generalizing, misquoting, and putting words in my mouth.

You've been disrespecting people from the jump, saying only like 4 people will be able to understand you.

Not what I said or implied. I said 2 or 3 would be better informed, not "would be able to understand me." And big difference.

You reject the idea that you might be wrong and that other people might have a point.

I do? What assumption did you make to come to that conclusion? Especially after I had just said some would be better informed than I?

You simply dismiss and attack people who disagree with you.

I did? Can you give me an example of how I did that?

You've had chances to prove your point and didn't, at all, you just attacked people.

Which point did I have a "chance to prove" but rather just attacked?

and their people raped and murdered, well, it seems like you don't have any morals.

You're just putting words in my mouth here, I didn't imply that. Very few people "don't care" about rape and murder, and to try to paint me as such a person is ignorant, disingenuous, and shows your agenda to try to color me in as a "bad guy" or "sociopath".

Saying you don't care if they win it's some cold shit.

No, it's not. That's only your opinion and based on this characature you're trying to turn me into.

when you enter the conversation saying people won't be able (to understand) you because they don't get it

Didn't say that, or imply that.

You called people who might disagree with you "parrots" and "drones" and here you are talking about disrespect?

I didnt say that those who disagree with me were "parrots" or "drones." Rather, just stated that is what people would mostly do here.

you are did come out of the gate attacking anyone who might disagree with you.

No, it was an attack on the ignorant with terrible opinions. And as proof, everyone here that came politely and respectful, I also treated the same. I have welcomed opposing opinions when stated politely.

In summation, I'm not your damn straw man. You trying to paint me as some characature at best is probably a fault of reading comprehension. At worst, it's intentional and purposeful to use such poor tactics to try to improve your argument. I've never claimed any victimhood. I claimed I've been personally attacked, which is true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If I'm being honest, I don't really feel like going back and forth anymore, it's pointless. You're free to think I'm wrong, I think you came across poorly and are wrong too.

Neither one of us are going to change our minds and we've decended into responses with cut quotes and countless questions. Things like "I didn't call them a drone I said they'd act like one." It's silly. There's really no point in either one of us going back and forth, to do what? Are you really open to the idea that the war in the Ukraine is important, it doesn't seem like it, and me spending time writing up response after response just wastes my time writing it and your time reading it.

I hope you're well man.