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NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer
(www.nysenate.gov)
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2023
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A tube capable of firing a projectile isn't hard to make though. Maybe they should require a criminal history background check to go to the hardware store too.
Classic pro-gun community, rushing to brigade a gun-related post with pre-prepared talking points.
"Why bother fixing gun laws that clearly fail to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people when you can just 3D print a gun?"
*someone makes a move to stop dangerous people 3D printing guns*
"Why bother preventing dangerous people 3D printing guns when you can just buy a bit of pipe at the hardware store?"
Criminals and domestic terrorists overwhelmingly just go to a store and buy a gun. The pro-gun community is fine with this.
For the minority that can't, straw purchases, gun show loopholes and poorly secured firearms give them much better access to safer, more reliable guns than 3D printing does. The pro-gun community is fine with this too.
A tiny fraction of crimes involve 3D printed gun parts and I'm not aware of any domestic terrorism to use any. Nevertheless, somebody could in theory print parts for a fully automatic weapon that would potentially be reliable enough for a mass shooting.
So how many crimes are being comitted with a piece of old pipe?
I know self-absorbed, gun-owning, 300lbs men pretending they'd be useful in a militia want to angrily hammer out a comment along the lines of "WHAT ABOUT THAT ASSASSINATION IN JAPAN YOU CUCK".
But the one example you can cite without googling, from every single country with gun control was clearly dogshit barely worked.
It would be a massive improvement if American criminals were forced to use home made firearms that significantly increased the price, difficulty to obtain and the danger to themselves using it.
But the pro-gun community objects by walking down a list of bullshit excuses because they can't just say "I'd rather people were shot than I was inconvienced".
Understood. Are you for or against the proposed NY legislation?
I'm against it because I know the pro-gun claim of "fixing deeply flawed gun laws is pointless because people will just 3D print guns" is a lie.
Should it one day come true, I'd reconsider my position.
But it hasn't come true anywhere else in the world, nor have any other pro-gun promises come true in the last 20 years.
The point of a fully printed gun would be a zip gun mostly. One shot up close to steal a real gun from a better equipped force. Same with a pipe gun. They're for upgrading.
Okay, so you should be able to provide plenty of examples of this happening then right?
Why would I? If you knew what a zip gun was for you'd realize how ignorant that question is.
Regardless, here's a historical zip.
I think Japan had a recent situation with a hand made firearm as well.
Okay, so not how criminals and terrorists get their guns, because they just walk into a shop and buy them.
lol only the right wing extremist terrorists in the US do it that way, everyone else has to go black market.
Sure, especially considering they said fully printed -- no pre-made firearm components.
The FP-45 Liberator pistol and the CIA's Deer Gun are "real" guns designed for that exact purpose: to kill someone at close range to steal their gun. The first "successful" 3d printed gun was the Defense Distributed Liberator, followed by a plethora of single shot "zip guns" of the same type.
So ... a bunch of 3d printed guns specifically copied from the concept of the FP-45 and Deer Gun.
I fixed your link. I wouldn't want people missing out on that "Usage" section.
Thanks though, I've bookmarked it for when people claim that gun restrictions are pointless because of 3D printers.