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While assertions have been made by both sides about the incident and death toll, the available evidence is less clear. However, analysis of the video footage rules out most explanations aside from an Israeli strike.

The devastation underlines the heightened risk civilians are facing as tens of thousands flee the north, on Israeli orders, during hostilities. The bodies of at least three children can be seen in multiple clips verified by the FT.

At least 1,400 Israelis have been killed, according to the government, including many women and children. At least 2,500 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombardment, about half of them women and below the age of 18, according to Palestinian officials.

On Saturday, Israel told Gazans that it would refrain from bombing two evacuation routes for six hours, including Salah-ad-Din street, where these explosions took place, so that civilians could continue to move south

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One side is oppressed. While the other is the oppressor. So not totally equal or complicated

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very true, everyone also intentionally overlooks that. Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by the South African apartheid state.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nelson Mandela didn't murder civilians. That comparison is horrible.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

When you decide to become an illegal settler, you stop being a civilian. Pretty simple.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Amnesty International refused to support Mandela because he was involved in violent resistance. History does not magically change when a resistance wins and becomes the government. Most Israeli prime ministers were once (and for many still are) regarded as terrorists too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

People have a right to fight for their freedom. The appropriate response to this (if Israel actually cared) is not to push them down and kill people, but to pull them up by developing their economy and social systems.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This whole exchange is interesting, but the second half I think this sums this point well.

Ultimately any real world problem has lots of history and different justifications, and I think mask of nuance is being weaponized to pull the conversation out of reality and into a rhetorical space of inaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

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