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Basically everyone is sticking their head in the sand re: Israel being an Ethnostate. Basically "sure, but they deserve it". That had some credibility behind it 70 years ago. Today? Not so much.
I've come to find out that in-spite of having many Israeli friends and some family members, I had no idea about what Israeli culture and society were really like. It is mind-boggling to me that the only Jewish people I see speaking against genocide seem to be a part of the diaspora. Every time I hear or see a Jewish person from/ in Israel speaking on this issue, its like "Well its necessary" is basically the argument. Like, I'm sure there must be voices in Israel to the contrary, but I can't seem to find them.
Its as if Zionism has supplanted Judaism in Israel entirely and there is no distinction in current Israeli culture or media.
There's definitely people protesting in Israel and have been since the start. But it is indeed unclear on whether they're protesting regarding their government's actions in Gaza or just protesting against Netanyahu more generally (which they had also been doing prior to all this anyways).
There are voices inside Israel opposing this, but it sounds like (i don't have personal knowledge) all the moderates got co-opted. The opposition voices don't get any media play, not in the US at least. Some Israeli press covers them, or used to at least.
Haaretz is the only real source of coverage of such opposing voices. And the Israeli government has already been trying to make moves to have them be shut down for daring to not support the will of the government.
I honestly feel like if the national powers at the time had been actually serious about the Jewish people deserving a homeland after the horrors of the Holocaust, then Israel should have been created out of a portion of western Germany.
That's my position, 100%. That they didn't is telling, imo.
Make space in Europe for the JEWS?! When there's plenty of land that has only brown people in it?!
The reasoning was that, I think.
Yep
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!
Zionists would not have wanted that. Establishment of a Jewish state around Jerusalem is a core idea of Zionism and Jerusalem is not in West Germany.
The plan to realize this ideology is much older than the Holocaust.
It is not about having a safe place to stay, it's about religion.
It is pretty funny that they discussed a bunch of other places, too, including Uganda, and shot down a bunch of them because they were inhabited and weren't sure how the locals would react or there were already white settlers in the area. The irony 🙄
The Jewish people have a right to self determination and had many good reasons to leave Europe for their ancestral homeland. Offering Jews a different homeland failed with the Jewish Oblast in the Soviet Union.
Herding European Jews into a new Ghetto while displacing Germans would not have gone well.
Now do Palestinians. Did they not have a right to their own land they were already on?
Sure Palestinians have a claim to the land as well. That’s what this whole conflict is about: competing claims over the same land.
They can't both have a right to the same land without sharing it. This is the problem with ethnostates.
Israel is less of an ethnostate than many other European and Asian countries.
Sharing the land in some kind of two state solution, federation, Emirates/Kanton system, is possible.
Herding? Dude you just give them Germany. Done.
No one is herded.
Maybe the Jews want to live elsewhere. Also what do you do with all the Germans who live on the land?
If there was credibility for a Jewish ethnostate 70 years ago due to the Holocaust and global antisemitism, how do we get to say things are better now and take the country back. Especially with all the other ethnostates in the world.
Obviously there is a problem because the region had changed hands over the past 1-2000 years and had other ethnic groups when the country was established by the Allies. The idea of having taken the land from Germany instead of the area around l Jerusalem sounds like poetic justice, but ignores that they have a historic homeland. Anyone would want their historic homeland with their historic religious sites back over somewhere else.
It seems like Jews are treated as second class when it comes to that. Talk of giving Mt Rushmore back is because it was that tribes sacred religious site, and no one would be happy giving them another mountain in another state.