News
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
view the rest of the comments
I see you posted this misinformation twice. Here and in World News.
This is the original article: https://www.bradford.ac.uk/news/archive/2024/undersea-scans-of-gateway-to-europe-reveal-astonishing-detail-of-sunken-landscape.php
It mentions nothing about a city. There was no city. That is just a total fabrication.
I only posted this in news. Not sure why you commented twice and both were basically saying the same thing.
Directly from the article
"To their astonishment, it was a 4 to 5-meter-deep structure offering clues to a settlement almost identical to the one in Soline. They also dug out several Neolithic artifacts such as flint blades, stone axes, and fragments of wood on this site."
I'm not personally saying that one building is a city but it's a start.
They never mention the university at Bradford, but speak of the university of Zadar, so I'm not really sure why you linked that article that is related but not the same.
A settlement isn't even close to a city. A settlement isn't even a village.
Also, you need to read your own article. This is the very first paragraph:
That links to the Bradford article I linked to.
And again, the information came from the University of Zadar, not of Bradford.
https://www.facebook.com/unizd/posts/pfbid02sn75brvNKh4JPfReAgDDrvJ6B93tY6uoKwAd71FLKLBrSLZn3KatnbniwPapMUunl
Here's a link to their facebook post where they told everyone about it.
You can absolutely criticize the sensationalism of them using the word city in the good.is article and I agree. But to say that it is a "total fabrication" when there's roads, tools and signs of human habitation is a bit of a stretch.
Roads, tools and habitation are signs of humans. They are not cities. There are roads, tools and houses on farms. Farms are not cities. The city part was just a lie.
Just glancing at the two articles that were posted, they seem a bit different from each other, OPs definitely has a clickbaity title, but it does mention multiple settlements. Is that a city? Not by today's standards, nor the standards of any other well recorded period of history... times change though. The town I live in has a population of roughly 250k or so but is not much of a city at all, village would be more appropriate for what is available in my mind. We have food and junk shops, but no real services... Its a bit of a shithole town though.
Thank you both for having enough discourse in the comments to make me engaged enough to learn about some ancient shit! Thanks!
Strictly-speaking, there's no generally-accepted international definition of "city", something which surprised me a bit.
This has come up for me in the past in several interesting ways:
China tends to define "cities" using a dramatically-more-expansive definition than what the US or European countries would. China does have cities with very large population, but this definition tends to result in things that in the US would be treated more as entire regions being treated as cities.
kagis for someone talking about this
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-we-mention-city-china-what-talking-xianwei-zhang
If you want to write code to render a map, which I was doing with OpenStreetMap data the other day in R, you can't just easily say "X is a city and Y is a town".
The US doesn't even have any kind of accepted definition across states (or, in at least for the few states that I've looked at, an official definition within a given state).
This paper is not definitive, but discusses what archaeologists mean when they talk about a city: https://www.brepolsonline.net/doi/pdf/10.1484/J.JUA.5.120907