this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2024
412 points (97.7% liked)

politics

19072 readers
4413 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Just in case you had any doubt about whether he intends to stage another coup attempt if he loses.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was pretty sure that the biggest wave of German immigration to the United States was before WWI (including some of my ancestors, BTW), but I decided to double check and yep, Wikipedia agrees with me:

The largest flow of German immigration to America occurred between 1820 and World War I, during which time nearly six million Germans immigrated to the United States. From 1840 to 1880, they were the largest group of immigrants. Following the Revolutions of 1848 in the German states, a wave of political refugees fled to America, who became known as Forty-Eighters. They included professionals, journalists, and politicians. Prominent Forty-Eighters included Carl Schurz and Henry Villard.

The Wikipedia article seems to have a gap where it doesn't say how many Germans immigrated in the 1920s, so I looked further and found this:

As for the 1930s, Wikipedia says that "many [German immigrants] were Jewish Germans or anti-Nazis fleeing government oppression," but also that "about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war." Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939. (However, according to that group's article, only American citizens of German descent were allowed to be members, so that figure isn't relevant to the number of recent German immigrants who were Nazis, despite the first article's implication.)

TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is... unlikely, to say the least!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

TL;DR: I think the notion that those 20,000 Nazis filling Madison Square Garden were mostly post-1918 German immigrants is… unlikely, to say the least!

about 25,000 people became paying members of the pro-Nazi German American Bund during the years before the war.

I mean, those numbers seem to tie out pretty neatly.

Looking at the chart, 25,000 would be only a small fraction of the total number of Germans who immigrated between 1918 and 1939.

Sure. But I'm not in any way suggesting all German migrants were Nazis. I'm saying that the American Nazi Party was primarily composed of first and second generation German migrants, heavily influenced by the media originating from their nation of origin.

In the same way, not everyone who moves from New York to Texas stays a Yankees fan. But most fans of the Yankees down in Texas have some familial relationship to New York.