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Baby boomers are fleeing Donald Trump and switching allegiance to Harris
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
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This isn't the flex Liberals think it is. Boomers are still boomers.
Idk man, I think it's risky engaging in this kind of essentialism. Votes are votes and, when the alternative is Trump, I'll take progress over perfection.
💯 No doubt. They're merely pointing out that though the empirical winds of ignorance are currently blowing in our beneficial direction, it's still not a good idea to pee into it. Their change is not rooted in a newfound sense of humanity, empathy, or understanding. It's just the entitled temper tantrum du jour. They can still turn on the there-are-two-kinds-of-[nonwhite]-people heel midstream and now you're just peeing on yourself.
And if we keep voting in politicians who are only slightly better than politicians that continue to get worse, how will that improve anything?
If we allow literal fascists into office who have floated the idea of killing liberals, how will that improve anything?
Do you think in 4 years they're suddenly going to stop being evil?
Absolutely not. But the only way we have a chance at reform is if we bandaid the hemorrhaging.
And has doing that by voting for liberals ever worked?
This is a great argument if you understand nothing about how elections work.
No need to be an asshole, if you know so much about elections then answer my question. Explain how it will improve anything.
I like the idea of not having to hear trumps mouth. Short term win. What's bugging me is these articles together though, headline after headline proclaiming victory at getting Republican votes. Are there headlines championing how many leftists have come back since Harris' candidacy?
Maybe I'm missing them. But what i mean is... It seems like with every article they're showing what they want, that this is what they're planning, that pulling in right wing voters is the goal. This raises concerns, again, of the Democratic party's ratcheting-right.
Ya get what I'm saying? I'm uncomfortable with how happy the dnc is to dismiss the left of their big tent and embrace the right. If they continue this process, only this process, the platform they show their constituents will move right to reflect their voting body (hypothetically lol).
Like that's the best case scenario of this trend. And where that leads is away from leftists. Im not going to ratchet right, my legs are churning leftward, and me n folks like me are clinging on with our fingertips to a party that appears to want to be the nuGOP. How can a party acting like that currently respond to us, its current members?
I think it's mainly just conventional thinking showing up: there's an assumption that everyone that is going to vote will vote, therefore if team A is behind team B, the only way team A can win is if they take votes from team B.
I hear my colleagues speak like this all the time (and they're quite educated and intelligent). I don't think it's the media trying to paint a picture where the left needs to be more right/center, I just think they're writing articles in terms that their audience understands (or at least understands well enough to be able to sum up in a headline to get that valuable click for advertising)
Obviously our election numbers are more complex than that. You can convince eligible voters that werent going to show up to actually show instead. Convincing the other side to stay home is another effective method. Passing legislation that prevents the other side from showing up is even more effective, which is why we see a lot of voter suppression things going on.
The only solution is for all of us to start voting for an actually leftist 3rd party, forcing Democrats to come to us if they want our votes. That's exactly how the Tea Party took over Republicans.
To be honest, there is some hope in Harris and this election, even if her platform could move much further to the left. If Trump gets whacked electorally, he might make the GOP implode, and there might be a slight chance of a swing over where the next major challenger of the Dem status quo would be one from the left.
But for that to happen, the Reps and Trump must be fucked up beyond recognition this election.
Unsure what that even means. That generation did a lot to kickstart a great many good things.
If you've somehow missed the nonstop "Boomers are bad" memes for the last 10 or so years I'm jealous
I haven't. I'd still like someone to explain how boomers are somehow a unique "generation" that is any different from prior generations that had older people start vying for more conservative options as they get older.
By the way, especially based on recent economic data, I bet Gen Y and Gen Z might even be worse as they get older. Might take a bit to see it show up, though. I'd like things to be otherwise, but I have yet to see credible reason to believe they will be...