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"There's a lot, people are saying." Okay, thank you.
whaddya know. you were proven wrong, it was insanely easy to prove, and you disappeared rather than admit you were wrong. I'm sure for years you'll be telling people how likable Hillary Clinton is. I bet you also love to rip on conservatives for being low-information, obstinate voters who won't change their minds when presented with evidence. :)
Disappeared? You are behaving like a child because someone asked you for data. I hope you can figure out how to control your rage someday.
I have very little patience for willful ignorance.
"The sky is orange and you can't prove otherwise."
"You're dumb."
"You can't find the data because it doesn't exist. The sky is orange."
Incorrect. You have endless patience for your own willful ignorance and refusal to look at real numbers instead of your feelings.
:D lol ignore that data more, chuckles
Nah, I think I'll look at the data, now that I have a minute.
Here's Clinton favorability among Dems 2016. 77-78% late in the campaign.
Dems did prefer Obama. Different poll and different questions but 88% of Dems chose Obama over McCain and 92% of Dems claimed they were excited for Obama. Give him the middle at 90%?
Here's Biden '20. Adding enthusiastic to satisfied is 91%. I don't know if that counts, elsewhere in the poll you can see a huge number of people were primarily voting against Donald.
And Harris in late July looks like 83% with Dems. Again a different poll. Hopefully she's more like 90% with Dems in a November instead of near 80% (which we know is reviled by literally everyone from your "people are saying" assertions).
Difficult to find and compare even measures this similar, and the numbers don't really support you. That's why you didn't want to check.
I did check, found the sources proved my point, and refused to spoonfeed you.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-clinton-unpopularity-high-par-trump/story?id=41752050
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/index.html
You cherry-picked data in an attempt to make your point, but just....proved mine? Harris has a likability problem too, and she's already at a 5 point advantage over Clinton's peak, what 3 weeks into her campaign?
Biden and Obama with 13-14% advantages? That qualifies as wildly different.
I wanted to see the data with the Dem voters to corroborate your claim that everyone hated her. I don't really care to see across all adults after months of Donald's cultists chanting "lock her up." I also wanted to compare to other campaigns to see what "normal" numbers should be.
You couldn't find anything of the sort. You're still posting data across all demographics. And you were furious about it all for some reason, also.
Yes, I agree Obama and Biden were wildly different with numbers like that. Obama was a huge win, +8 Senate and +21 House. I guess we'd agree 90% is probably above average popular.
Is 78% far, far below average? I don't know. You certainly don't know either, you haven't looked for anything because they might run contrary to your biases.
I guess I must have struck a nerve, for you to keep trying "no you're the one who won't research, you're biased!" Truth hurts, bucko. I like that you're admitting you're wrong (like a big boy!) and I was right, but still attempting to say that I didn't know I was right. Flawless logic. Have a nice life.
You were the one posting, what, three? comments while I was preoccupied today. Now you want to project the feeling of your rage onto me, just like you wish to project about lacking the data you still have not found.
You have no data to show ~80% is abnormal because the comparisons are campaigns that were wildly popular. You have zero intellectual curiosity, you could have written that instead of being weirdly and childishly standoffish. "Look at the line, me and my pals agree it is low." Compared to...?
I hope you grow as a human.
Lol, just keep repeating "u mad". Yeah lol, Biden in 2020 was WILDLY POPULAR :). I need to remember that the Internet has 16 year-olds on it.
Oh, the data you had to be spoonfed, which you claim proves you right, is now incorrect because of your feelings. Grow up. 16 would be an improvement over your level of maturity.
Damn dude, you're really taking "no u" to another level. Go touch some grass, buddy
You're so angry about being wrong. In your anger, you'll respond to this, you have no control.
And, when I quit talking to you, you'll post extra responses, like you did yesterday. Very angry.
There are positive ways to get attention, try some of those someday. LMK if you ever want to discuss actual data instead of your feelings.
"u mad" :)
"I refuse to even Google this because I know i'll be INSTANTLY proven wrong", keep sticking your head in the sand buddy
I don't think I'm any better than you are at searching. You worked at it for a while and found nothing. I'll accept that.
All the way through 2018 Hillary had very poor favorability ratings. ^[1] It's hard to find like-for-like favorability measurements made recently, but according to YouGov she does seem to have slightly rebounded over the past couple of years.^[2]
The subject of Clinton hate is enough of a topic that multiple books have been written on it, both in defense of Clinton and in prosecution.^[3]
Thanks!
I'm kinda wondering about their claim regarding 2016. On that first link if we look at the breakdown with just Dems she was like 75-90 around November. IDK if 75 disastrously low for a Dem candidate?
I'm still dubious at the idea that everyone hates her and always has. And of course still dubious that voters hate Hillary Clinton so much having her speak on one's behalf would cost their support.
I can see it. It's the young voters: the ones currently driving the Harris wave. They don't like the old, they had no interest in Biden and were old enough to absorb anti-Hillary sentiment through osmosis during 2016. The campaign now is new, feels fresh and hip. For once they have a candidate they can relate to. And what do they see when they tune into the DNC - which should be a hypefest? Stuffy old establishment Dems, including much-maligned Hillary. That to me sounds like a great way to take some wind out of the sails of the campaign.
Removed, civility.
You are extremely mad that you cannot find actual data. IDGI. That other person posted some links with actual polls you could bookmark for the future. IDK how well it supports your "everyone hates her and always has" idea though.
The data is plain to see, and it's common knowledge. It has had massive coverage for literal decades. You are the worst kind of ignorant - "I hold an insanely stupid position, I require you to force feed me easily-findable data, otherwise you're wrong and my idiotic preconceived notions are right". Even after that other person posted that data, you're pushing back on it, with nothing other than "my side feels right".
Go on, buddy, go grab that national favorability data from 2016 and post it side-by-side with other Dem candidates' favorability from their runs so we can all see how wildly different hers was.
Lol you act like they're not wildly different. Again, this stuff is pretty easy to look up. But you've proven that you're incapable, and I've proven that I'm unwilling to drag this horse to water. Bye.
If it is easy you would have looked it up.