this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
521 points (70.6% liked)

Memes

45629 readers
1496 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly didn't take too long to find a lot of people taking this take in the least generous way possible.

And who can forget the "I commute 50 miles each way I can't use any alternatives" folks as well who seem to think that the better future means absolutely no cars.

It means better alternatives to everyone having to own a car and take a car everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's an interesting one, a lot of people really do seem to be arguing cars shouldn't exist which is absolutely insane, likewise there are people who have the equally hairbrained idea that cars are the only option for any journey.

There is no doubt at all that fleet managed self-driving electric cars are at some point going to be a vital part of all transport networks, the efficiency and utility is far higher than any other potential option. Lithium batteries can be recycled endlessly and the construction process can be powered from renewables so long term we're going to get to a point where the ecological impact is negligible.

Of course we should be using other options where appropriate but we don't have a magic wand so we need the utility of small personal transport, if we're going to start switching off oil production systems then we're going to need those vehicles to run on electric - the more we shift to electric the better the support and industrial infrastructure gets and the more refined the technology becomes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If the better future has cars then those cars should be electric (or hydrogen ig)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Tbh that should be expected. It's always easier to convince someone to use an option that already exists and is observably better than their current situation than it is to convince them to support a theoretical change that will take place in the future if we inconvenience them now. That's just how "humans" work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s to be expected I suppose.

Too many people think upgrading their car to electric is ‘doing their part’ but when they are replacing a vehicle less than 5 years old with an electric car they also intend to replace within 5 years, they haven’t helped anything.

Also people don’t want to feel like the action they took is actually unhelpful.

They like greenwashing and want to feel good about their choices. Applying critical analysis to a complex problem like climate change is hard compared to buying a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I sort of agree with you, but at the same time the wealthy are always the earliest adopters for expensive new technology. Them buying overpriced luxury cars helps subsidize the development of the tech for the rest of us. And when they switch to a new car in 5 years it adds more stock to the used car market for people that can't afford the cutting edge but still want to own an EV.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Straight up my car is 16 years old at this point and I plan to drive it until the wheels fall off

Do I want a different car with different features? Yup.

Will I buy a new car? Fuck no, I'll buy a used car and do the same: drive it until the wheels falls off.