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I'm not living in uk, i live in italy. I saw every kind of comment written on italian social networks and i have never seen a conviction. When the police had taken the names of protesters, ( not arrested ) we had a public outcry. We had arrest for direct call for violence, not simply rants. So seeing people jailed for rants on twitter scares me. We have actual fascists and communists, both parties were strong, and we had an actual civil war. We have strong linguistic minorities and regional parties. So a lot of people hating each other. Who decide the right speech in such a situation?
I have some bad news for you. There is no right answer
And normaly it is very difficult to be comdemned for a generic rant. It is easier in case of insults or defamtion, but it is mostly an high fee. Jailing a political adversary for a speech ( when we had a lot of political/mafia killing in the past ) is a big no. We had actual people killed for their speech.
That movie director that got killed 50 years ago is a wild story.
Yes, i think you talk about Peppino Impastato , he was killed cause he joked about mafia.
Are people really jailed for rants in the UK? I've only seen stories of actual call to violence.
The line between rants and call for violence is quite blurred in some cases IMHO
Can you give an exemple of such case in the recent events in the UK?
false informations , even worst, newspapers publish false information ( rumors ) every day
So she has been arrested, not jailed. We don't know much about this specific case yet but this has nothing to do with a rant, like you said.
Ok, not a rant, a fake news...
A fake news meant to stir up racial hatred.
Lol, so ban every news... We have politicians telling worst thing that a simple fake news and no one riot. Maybe a thousand of rapes in one city could cause it. Here ONE rape is a news with the name and the nationality of the criminal. Why the people that havr covered that are not in jail?
She has not been jailed and we don't know what she posted.
Obviously there is no ground to ban every news but I agree something should be done about politicians and media spurring hate.
About spreading hate? Like one thousand rapes in one city, like everyone have one friend/relative victim of it and the problem is spreading hate? I hope you are jocking. ( i'm talking about rotherham )
I did not know about Rotherham, what's the link between the two?
The assault of the refugee hotel was in rotherham, and the riots were mostly in the north of england, in labour areas where the phenomenon of the asian grooming gang were most prevalent. I remember rotherham cause it was the most in(famous) case and also one of the places of the worst riots.
But what's the link with the arrested woman?
It is a link that the reasons of the riots were far more deep that a single tweet. The world is a little bit more complicated that button-> action.
But no one is saying that a single tweet started all this.
No one? The narrative is : fake news and tweets started all this. We need to regulate the internet. As the french revolution was started by the statements of Marie-Antoinette.
You are right that there are underlying causes that needs to be addressed. That's why it spread so much and so fast. But that doesn't make racially motivated fake news OK.