Memes

45413 readers

558 users here now

Rules:

Be civil and nice.
Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

Something everyone agrees with until you name it (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

111 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The leadership of the USSR tried to grow the economy in an irresponsible manner which starved millions.

That's factually inaccurate. Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5

believe the USSR is a horrible example as the economy relied on oil in order to function and is widely regarded by workers who used to live under it as a suppressive country that ignored human rights.

Having actually grown up in USSR, I can tell you that this is just US propaganda you're regurgitating.

I believe the way is to go for something in between

Going for something in between is China's approach. While private companies and a stock market exist, they operate within a socialist framework, guided by the principles laid out by Chen Yun. Chen advocated for a "birdcage economy," where the market acts as a bird, free to fly within the confines of a cage representing the overall economic plan. His approach, adopted in the early 1980s, allowed for use of market forces for efficient allocation of resources, while the state maintained ultimate control over the direction and goals of economic development.

When it comes to blockchain technology and ai I think the hype was temporary with blockchain and it itself is quite an interesting and innovative but useless tech. For AI I believe we will see them improve a lot and become many times better than the stupid chatbots we have today and it will probably be the driving factor of innovation of the 21. century. I know this is quite the bold claim but it has a lot of potential.

Another way we could phrase this as the leadership of the US tried to grow the economy in an irresponsible manner which starved millions. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/us/food-insecurity-30-million-census-survey/index.html

Ownership also holds one accountable. Were in east-germany many people didn’t see the point in work as the government ensured a certain living standard a potential to rise through new ideas and hard work is non-existent.

That's why cooperative ownership is important. Capitalist enterprises have exact same problem where the workers are alienated from their labor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna address point one for now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin I would say when it comes to human rights this is also enough to disprove that the USSR didn't ignore human rights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Soviet_Union When it comes to the oil reliance: One of the greatest strengths of Soviet economy was its vast supplies of oil and gas; world oil prices quadrupled in the 1973–1974 and rose again in 1979–1981, making the energy sector the chief driver of the Soviet economy, and was used to cover multiple weaknesses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union#1930%E2%80%931970 Considering China is also a totalitarian state that suppresses individual rights and only communist on paper I would argue its not a great example. When it comes to bad allocation of resources you just need to look at the chinese housing bubble

Also, as I said the US is not a good country for a western Social market economy with a good welfare state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fact that you get your world view solely from wikipedia explains a lot actually.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nah i just took them as sources. You used wikipedia as a source as well. What do you know about me to be able to judge my knowledge just because your opinion differs from mine. I just used it since it was quick to find and quote and if I quoted western sources you'd probably say its propaganda or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I can only go by what you say and what you link to, which is nonsense that comes directly from wikipedia. I've provided you with plenty of non wikipedia sources demonstrating that what you say is false. You never actually addressed any of it, and just spammed wiki links. Now you're acting like your opinion is worth something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bro I ain't writing a doctors thesis to disprove a commie since I know my points stand and I never actually expected to convince you but just through its interesting to see different views. And you're acting like my opinion is worth nothing. Have a good one mate!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

It's hilarious that you admit having a superficial understanding of the topic you're attempting to debate, and then get mad when people point that out. An uneducated opinion is indeed worth nothing. If you want your opinion to be valued then invest the time to investigate the subject you're opining on. It's not really rocket science mate.