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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And they should be. Toyota spent so long fighting against EVs instead of embracing them that they could become irrelevant in less than 20 years.

China is heavily subsidizing their EV production. US and Japanese car makers are sitting on their hands and bitching to their government to keep the Chinese vehicles out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Toyota never fought against EVs. They were part of a consortium of companies (including literally every other manufacturer selling cars in the US) that fought against the mandates banning them from selling anything but EVs.

Toyota was first to electrify their vehicles with the Prius all the way back in the 90s and have hybrid options for nearly every vehicle in their fleet now, along with heavily investing in solid state battery research and hydrogen powered vehicles, so I don't understand why people make stupid claims like saying they're in bed with the oil industry.

Toyota is the type of company that methodically designs their vehicles using proven technology rather than jumping head first into a market that's rapidly developing and changing. It seems they're waiting to see what works and what doesn't to manufacture their first real EV (not the joint venture compliance car that is the BZ4X or whatever it's called).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile here in France, I see Teslas everywhere, lots of Zoes, some e208, and Toyota still has nothing to show except for the Pro Ace.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did you even read my comment because I addressed this very point...

People seem so quick to parrot what they've read on social media but nobody can even make a coherent argument as to why Toyota would be against electrification when a majority of their vehicles are already halfway electrified and have been for far longer than most manufacturers. Stop spreading misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

When every manufacturer finally has several EVs on the market, Toyota will maybe have an eYaris or whatever. They should hurry up before sales of new ICE cars are banned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Toyota had a head start with the Prius. But instead of embracing full electrification they've been pushing stupid shit like hybrids and even worse hydrogen vehicles. Full fledged EVs are far more feasible than a hydrogen car, but Toyota is still pushing them because it means it has an engine, and that's what they're comfortable with.

https://electrek.co/2023/10/30/why-is-toyota-anti-ev-it-lost-the-race-to-compete-ev-council/

https://www.citizen.org/news/years-of-anti-ev-policy-at-toyota-generates-shareholder-backlash/

https://www.teslarati.com/toyota-electric-vehicle-push-wasted-investment/

https://observer.com/2024/05/toyota-announce-carbon-neutral-engine-ev-strategy/

https://www.myeva.org/blog/why-the-eva-is-holding-toyota-accountable

The BZ4x is an awful vehicle that they've only pushed out to say they have an EV. The world would be better off without that absolute piece of shit of a car. The only reason that car exists is so Toyota can go to their share holders and say "see, this is why we need to keep hybrid cars around"