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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Obamacare wasn't bad before it got mostly dismantled. Iran Nuclear Deal was smart. Paris Accords had potential. He cleaned up our ISIS mess. Nuclear disarmament was nice. He wasn't a bad pres, considering his situation. Mainly screwed up with his approach to the Russians.

Comparing George W to him is pretty meh.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Also there was the whole "avoiding the second great depression" thing we were careening towards when he took over.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Another thing that has been arguably a big mistake is the natural gas over reliance (presented as a "clean" alternative to oil and coal).

I was gonna add Common Core, but honestly I'm unsure if it is just the testing that's bad or the whole pie. It seems more like a mixed bag like any other federal policy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

That said, I understand that natural gas was presented as a clean solution by the industry. I just wish there had been a more thorough analysis of what it meant, or at least tougher regulations.

(AFAIK) Natural gas leaks are very hard to spot, so they are very hard to fine, yet very common.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Natural gas "the transition fuel" was obviously as big a con as "clean coal." Nobody believed it besides consultant-brained Democratic operatives in Washington.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That doesn’t make sense. If this were true how could they bill consumers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Leaks in pipelines, not in customer facing equipment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I love hating Obama but the testing actually came in from Bush with No Child Left Behind.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

watching him concede every single point to the Republicans during the ACA negotiations was infuriating

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mainly screwed up with his approach to the Russians.

Can you tell more about that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Georgia, Crimea. Gave Russia a pass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Georgia happened during George W Bush's administration, not Obama's. Syria and Crimea though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Happened across two events, the Syrian uprising against Bashar Al Assad, who was a Russian ally, and the 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Obama was generally trying to navigate a more diplomatic approach to the Russians, and reluctant to take any harsh actions against Putin. But starting in Syria, the Arab Spring had led to a revolt against Assad, and he was rapidly pushed back. Before he fell, Russia stepped in with their military and helped him push the rebels back. We had an opportunity to intervene ourselves after Obama stated that the use of chemical weapons would be a "red line" for us. He ended up using chemical weapons anyway, and we declined to intervene in any significant way. With Assad backed by the Russian military and the rebels backed by nobody's big military, they ended up getting crushed and Assad is still in power there to this day. With a Russian military presence helping him stay secure.

Then in 2014, despite the Budapest Memorandum giving the US and UK some measure of responsibility for securing Ukrainian territorial integrity, when Putin quickly seized Crimea we basically did very little, just some minor sanctions and arms to the Ukrainians if I remember right.

Then a lesser thing, when it became apparent that Russia was using influence operations to meddle in our elections, he again did very little. This one is a little more forgiveable, since it was the end of his term and what even can you do? Still frustrating though.

All together, it became a pattern of being soft on Russia that Putin took advantage of, and imo helped lead to the Russo-Ukrainian War today.

What I would have liked to see instead, with the benefit of hindsight, is limited engagement in Syria to strike Russian assets, or perhaps a no-fly-zone over Syria, though that would be diplomatically difficult without UN support. After Crimea, very robust sanctions (which would've been problematic for the Europeans dependent on Russian energy exports), major upscaling of aid to the Ukrainians and a defense treaty. After the meddling, well, he could have at least gave a Presidential address about it or something, I dunno.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Obamacare wasn’t bad before it got mostly dismantled

Getting rid of the tax penalties was the only good thing the supreme court did. And also that was the worst and stupidest part of the whole bill, inserted by the insurance company lobbyists. It's the thing that initially made ACA hugely unpopular (despite it just being so complicated and stupid). It pretty much caused the entire midterm disaster. It was one of the biggest and dumbest unforced errors the Democrats ever made.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Without the requirement that healthy people get insurance in addition to sick people, there is no reasonable mechanism to keep the prices in check. The sick people need to get diluted down somehow.

As it stands, we end up paying for it anyway, just in a more roundabout way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's untrue though. They got rid of the penalties and price appreciation did not accelerate. The penalties were completely unnecessary especially considering they already had all the complicated rules to prevent people from getting insurance after they get sick (enrollment periods, "life events" etc).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Prices actually did go up, quite a lot. And the ACA allowed people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance, it actually explicitly prohibited insurance companies from locking them out, which they are otherwise economically incentivized to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Prices were going up before ACA, under the penalties regime, and after it. There was no inflection point when the penalties got removed.

People are still locked out of getting insurance on the exchange except during enrollment periods which means people can not "time" getting insurance. They can not wait to get sick and then get insurance only when they know they need it.

The biggest problem with the exchanges is the insurance offered is pretty shitty (but better than pre-ACA individual coverage), and many exchanges have no real competition or even no competition offered. This is due to flaws in the design of the exchanges (making them per state) and not providing a public option that would always participate in every exchange and set a ceiling on prices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but how much were they going up? Here's a chart:

https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-health-insurance-premiums/

You may note a difference in rate of change before, during, and after the ACA in its full form.

I don't see the problem with enrollment periods, that seems like a reasonable restriction to me. I definitely prefer a public option, but we don't have the congressional support to get that. Didn't then, don't now. I'm unfamiliar with the amount of competition in less-served areas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

According to Howard Dean, who was DNC chair at the time and party to the negotiations, Lieberman could have been arm-twisted into supporting the public option, but Obama didn't care enough to fight for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Doesn't surprise me, I liked Lieberman. Problem is you'd simultaneously piss off the neo-lib faction.