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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Huh, some commenters raise a good question. What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

China is building out massive renewables and massive coal.

My list is short, please add to it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

https://electrek.co/2024/07/16/china-on-track-to-reach-clean-energy-targets-six-years-ahead-of-schedule/

Lots of solar, wind, hydro, and nuclear energy investment in the public sector. Huge investments in mass transit and electric engines. Conversion of old coal powered steel production to electric. Dense urban real estate department. Disposable waste reduction. Big efforts at tree planting along the Gobi Desert.

They've been very "all options on the table" about climate change. Some work. Some don't. But the progress is undeniable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Massive coal" was twenty years ago. India is "massive coal" now.

They have an electric car that costs $10,000.

They are quickly switching from Li batteries to Na, which will not require Ni or Co either.

They have a mixture of capitalism and central planning, so it's not entirely fair to call them "non-capitalist".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not far in the past.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-responsible-for-95-of-new-coal-power-construction-in-2023-report-says/

In China, 47.4GW of coal power capacity came online in 2023, GEM says. This increase accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity, which climbed 2% to 2,130GW.

China’s 70.2GW of new construction getting underway in 2023 represents 19-times more than the rest of the world’s 3.7GW. As the figure below highlights, the country’s trajectory (red line) is diverging significantly from the rest of the world (orange line).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was considerably happier before I knew this. Hopefully coal prices will continue to increase, and they won't end up burning more coal even though their capacity has increased. From what I've read, it's mainly provincial governments trying to boost their economic statistics that are responsible for this building spree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

We couldn't have non capitalist state with imperialism However, if we consider countries without state, we shall consider EZLN and the Democnatic Confederation in Rojava. Both have very interesting approach of eco-socialism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a capitalist country, but I think France is on the right track.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

They were never really on the wrong track, primarily because of their huge investment in nuclear power back in the 70s.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

China is a capitalism country as everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Run by communists with a majority public sector and control of private enterprise? Hmm. Doesn't sound correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

TFW Tencent isn't considered capitalist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Tencent existing as a private enterprise is compatible with the statement you are responding to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's state capitalism with a veneer of communism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All capitalism requires a state, the fact that you call an alternate system "state capitalism" just goes to show that you need to do more research on what capitalism is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to DuckDuckGo

State Capitalism: An economic system that is primarily capitalistic but there is some degree of government ownership of the means of production.

Basically capitalism managed and owned by the state. This is not communism, nor even socialism. China is communist in name only.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Oh my god I didn't consider what the brilliant minds of a duck duck go- wait you didn't even cite where the definition is from?

Lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are the non-capitalist countries doing to fight climate change?

Hunting and gathering, mostly. When the superpowers are capitalists, everyone is capitalist. Anyone who thinks China isn't capitalist hasn't bought anything off Amazon in the last decade.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Buddy capitalism is a specific production system not when you do trade