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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (9 children)

So, now we get to see how many “blue no matter who”’s actually meant it.

Remember folks, it applies to anyone who might be the candidate.

That over…. Harris/AOC or Harris Whitmer !!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You think people are lying about that? Weird.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If the blue pick is a broken toaster oven, I'm still voting for it rather than tump

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I'd vote for a battered cardboad cutout of Reagan over Trump. Hell. I'd vote for a cardboard cut out of trump over trump.

(cardboard cut outs can't talk.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

A ficus. Like in 2000

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Kamala all the way! It won't be AOC or Whitmer though. Most likely Kelly or Newsom. AOC is the future, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Newsome cannot and will not be the VP. Harris is also from California, which would cause issues in the electoral college. Electors cannot cast both the Presidential and vice-presidential ballot for someone from the same state as themselves. Because both Harris and Newsome are form California, it could cause issues, and they might not get the electoral votes from California.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's the first clause of the 12th Amendment to the United States Constitution, here's the relevant text:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves

You can read the full text on Wikipedia or on the official website of Congress.

What this would mean in practice, is that if Gavin Newsome were chosen as Kamala Harris' running mate, is that many (if not the overwhelming majority) of Californian Presidential Electors would be prohibited from voting for Harris and Newsome, since the electors are generally chosen from local politicians and other locally influential individuals.

Harris needs every electoral vote she can get, and risking any of California's many votes would be a significant threat to her election.

I hope that satisfies your need for citations, and please, correct me if I've interpreted the law wrong here.

Edit: grammar, and added my separate other comment to the end of the above citation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

so what debate one-liners are you putting on your bingo card?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Lock him up!" <-- If she doesn't fucking say this so help me god...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

My bing card is “slaps cuffs on him during the debate.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I doubt Newsome, you wouldn't want both from California

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Very good point! Kelly then? That's my top pick.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I think AOC isn't old enough to be VP. I don't say that as a matter of opinion. I think you have to be at least 40

Edit: it's actually 35, but AOC is 34 so I was partially correct

However I think the relevant language is:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So maybe it's okay for VP

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

AOC's birthday is this October, so I believe she would be eligible just in time lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

She’ll be old enough to be POTUS by inauguration.

So, she’s probably old enough to be VPOTUS…

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Irrelevant. The Democrats would never put a progressive in a position where they could be president. They'll probably go for a centrist like Shapiro or a corporate Dem like Newsom. I'm hoping that they'll go with Whitmer but they'll probably shy away from a two woman ticket.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It's relevant to the question of if she's old enough, which is a fair question given she's on the cusp. Even if only theoretically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Before I left home this morning, I pointed to the bottle of mustard on the table and told my girl that I would vote for the mustard. We were talking about the rumors of Biden dropping out.

At least the mustard is honest about its color. So are carrots, for that matter. I'd totally vote for a carrot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Turnips too.

What kinda carrot? Chatennay or Danvers?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yup, I'll vote for any garden vegetable except for cucumbers and their squash and watermelon relatives. Will make an exception for pickles, they're one of the good ones.

Don't know much about carrot varieties other than Queen Anne's lace is a wild carrot. Know more about taters and tomatoes.

Figure any real carrot would do. I'd totally vote for a beefsteak or better boy tomato over a carrot, however.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried a grafted cherry tomato/white potato plant? I've been looking at trying it out just because growing two produces with "one plant" seems really interesting to me and I've read a bit about how they're closely related enough that you can graft the tomato to the top of the potato plant.
Also trying to get more people into container gardening and it seems like a good space saver.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I haven't tried it. Seems like a gimmick.

I'm not a big fan of container gardening. From the deep south, container gardening is for places where the sun won't dry and burn the roots.

Grew up working on a tater farm. Sweet taters and Irish taters.

We're in process of moving further north and my girl is excited to try container gardening again.

A plant takes in a certain amount of energy and turns part of that into fruit or root storage. You can't really get anything for free.

I prefer heirloom seed or hardware start plants grown traditionally.

It's been a long time since I've grown much of anything other than cacti, native ornamentals, and fungi. It's a kind of work I swore off for a long time.

Just bought a play farm, will probably grow some tomatoes. Have apple trees, blueberries, and a small vineyard I need to learn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a tiny yard in the south and it's pretty much paved so container is the only way I can go until (if?) I manage to buy a house with a plantable area. Currently have some citrus in containers producing, a bunch of basil, tomatoes, and some various sprawlers like squash. I wish I had the space to put them all in the ground but I gotta work with what I have. Usually use heirloom seeds or hardware starter plants but gotta pick varieties that are good for containers so I don't get that many options. I figured that potatoes would still be productive in the seasons when tomatoes aren't growing on the branches due to heat or cold but I could be wrong since i'm still learning a lot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Northern and central Alabama myself. Tater experience from central AL.

I've heard of people having great results with container tomatoes by taking the drip line of the AC unit and piping it into the tomatoes roots. Keeps the roots very cool.

Taters have a long season, plant just after frost is done. Blackberry Winter is no longer a constant due to climate change.

To try and do taters in containers, I would build my conainers from cinder blocks and fill the blocks with dirt or other insulation. 4' wide at a minimum and however long you want/have space/can afford. This would be for one row. Paint the blocks white. Bury a soaker hose down the center. Put the hose on a timer and adjust for high temps. You'll have to fight fungal infection due to the higher moisture so it would be delicate. I would treat with antifungal at intervals through the hose. Taters need more sand than you would think in the soil, especially if you have clay soil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Most of the container potato setups I see use a lot of sand and straw which I thought would help with the fungal growth, though they're usually set up in something like a large trash can with an air layer of insulation around since it hold heat less than rocks but the white block idea with sunken drip line sounds intriguing. We get a lot of clay in my area, but it's also pretty rainy most of summer so I would probably need some sort of sensor in the soil to figure out when it's dried enough for more watering. Thanks for the response!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you grow tomatoes? Have you tried a brandywine? They’re balanced between sweet and tart. Love ‘em on a good burger.

Oxhearts are great for sauces (they have fewer seeds and a strong flavor.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My favorites are the cherry tomatoes- can’t make up my mind on a single best, though. Blomdkopfchen roast amazing well (or grill!) where Amy’s Apricots do well in salads. Want to get my hands on some black cherries, though.

Chadwick’s are of course the old stand by in my greenhouse.

If you like beefsteaks, have you tried brandywine? They’re our favorite burger slicer here. (And oxhearts for saucing)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Mostly copied from above response.

Grew up working on a tater farm. Sweet taters and Irish taters.

We're in process of moving further north and my girl is excited to try container gardening again.

I prefer heirloom seed or hardware start plants grown traditionally.

It's been a long time since I've grown much of anything other than cacti, native ornamentals, and fungi. It's a kind of work I swore off for a long time.

Just bought a play farm, will probably grow some tomatoes. Have apple trees, blueberries, and a small vineyard I need to learn.


Have always heard good things about Brandywine tomatoes.

Won't be this year, but we'll be trying some varieties.

Roma, we called Romies, were my favorite as a kid. Canned tomato soup and sauce always smelled amazing and the stuff in stores doesn't compare.

Best judge of a tomato is to slice it up, add too much salt, and eat it with a fork.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think you're responding to yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

No idea how that happened. Gonna leave that up though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If the ticket is something messed up like Harris/Bob Menendez, or Harris/Blagoyavich, I might have some reservations, but would quickly look past them considering the alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Only problem I have with menendez is that I’m too broke to buy him off.

(I suspect the people who don’t have a problem with him… are rich enough. Funny how that works.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

We also get to see how many of the anti-Biden kids will actually vote now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Or Harris Wittels, best of both worlds, AND the afterlife.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As much as I'd love to see it in my lifetime, no way she chooses a female VP. Way too risky.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Did you vote for H Clinton, though? I bet not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

What gives you the idea I didn't?