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“I can still remember when doner kebabs were sold for €3.50,” reminisced one teenager amid calls for a price brake to stop rising kebab costs.

The German capital is the birthplace of that ubiquitous European fast food, the doner kebab, and it shows.

Kebab shops line streets of many German cities, particularly in Berlin, and the scent of roasting, skewered meat is never far off.

Some two-million doner kebabs — meat wrapped in bread, topped with sauces and vegetables — are consumed a day in Germany, according to an industry association, quite a lot for a country of 83 million people. And the doner kebab has even supplanted the old stalwart, the currywurst — fried veal sausage topped with ketchup and curry powder — as the most popular fast-food dish in the country, according to a 2022 survey.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Birthplace aside, doner is European because Europe includes both Germany and Turkey.

"European" is not the same as "EU member".

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And this is just when the arbitrary culture lines decide when to include Turkey as a whole in Europe because it is convenient this time.

I wonder what the most governments and people of Europe were thinking during the decision to house 10 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, practically acting as floodplains for the refugees crises they engineered in the Middle East, citing "similar cultures" as the reason? I believe they were thinking " Turkey is a part of the Middle East, not Europe.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Turkey is within Europe. It's a question of geography, not culture.

What people think about Turkish culture is a completely separate question. Americans have a similar culture to the British, but that does not make Americans part of Europe. Nor can Turkey's culture move their land outside of Europe.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

With geography considered, Turkey has 80% of its landmass in Asia. With how you interpret the geographical continents, you can even say the whole old world is simply Asia and Africa. It is a matter of preference than it is a matter of any other aspect, anyway. And you don't have to go far, just visit your nearest general online map community, to see that Turkey's situation especially is a matter of preference and convenience.

And such a food is mostly a culture related thing rather than a geographical feature. Yes, geography and culture is intertwined on a lot of topics, and some food types are almost completely related to the geographical situation, like fish based cuisine being a staple of Japanese cuisine, but you can hardly call a red meat with different cooking style a matter of geography.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Yes, Turkey is both in Europe and in Asia. The same is true of Russia.

Food is definitely cultural. Which means doner is part of European culture. Just like Russian borscht.