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Dig out the fucking birth certificate they gave you by default for free because surely you didn’t do something as stupid as throw it out in a selfish attempt to consign your children to this insane lifestyle choice.
You’re assuming this child was born in a hospital. A lot of these nutty types will do a home birth either by themselves or with a midwife sympathetic to their ideals. In either case, the kid is born without any official documentation, which majorly screws them over later in life, especially if they later decide to join the civilized world.
That’s a very good point especially if they become sovcits prior to having kids. And it’s not like they’re bringing these kids to pediatricians or getting them their vaccines or putting them in school.
There was actually a Radiolab episode about this scenario. A kid grew up with insane parents and later joined the real world and was in a fucked up legal limbo status due to there being no record of their birth. They couldn't prove they were even a natural citizen of the US. It's been several years since I listened to that episode, but iirc their state senator/some politician ended up campaigning on their behalf to get laws made to cover these fringe cases so in the future, kids like these aren't completely screwed. Not sure if the law ended up getting passed or not. Anyway, it was the first time I'd heard of people doing this kind of crap to their kids and it blew my mind. Utterly selfish and abusive.
Edit: found the episode: https://radiolab.org/podcast/invisible-girl
I'm sure it depends on the jurisdiction, but when my daughter was born we filled out the paperwork in the hospital but had to go to the county health department office to get a birth certificate when it was actually issued. I think we may have had to pay a small amount for it too.
Huh yeah I guess I take that for granted
I just literally looked at my birth certificate, and it took them an entire month after my birth to issue it. Took them even longer to issue me a SS number.
Try looking at yours. You just might find that the paperwork wasn't printed out the same day you popped out either.
Edit: Partially edited to try to be more polite, but also..
The government had me so screwed up right after I was born, that not only did it take them a month to issue me a birth certificate, but they actually ended up screwing that up, and I actually have two birth certificates and two SS cards, and even two SS numbers no less (though the first one there is false).
Obviously I'm not about to share my private info, I'm just here to say that the government fucks up sometimes.
Not sure I understand the problem. When my daughter was born it also took about a month (at least a few weeks) to get it, and since that was normal the hospital provided a temporary one exactly for that reason. SSN also came in mail around that time frame.
The insurance allowed to register without SSN and provide the SSN later as it was normal to not have it just when the child was just born.
I think there was an option to not get SSN when filling the document for birth certificate, but when searching why I wouldn't want that I realized it was a bad idea.
I'm not exactly sure what the complication was from the original post either, but the lady said her husband just got a new job, and they're trying to enroll their children for benefits.
Not sure what exactly she means by benefits, but taking the short post at face value, I interpret it as she's trying to get her kids on the company insurance, but they're being screwy about a newborn because 'wE nEEd tO sEe tHE paPErWoRK'
Where does newborn come into this? It says "youngest", which sure I guess could be a newborn, but my youngest is 22 years old.
It's been a while since I had my kids, but it took about a month for the paperwork to be processed for them to get birth certificates. They never mailed them to us, but we were told that after a month we should be able to go to the country clerk's office to pick them up.
Aside from that, when signing up for benefits from an employer, in my previous experiences I had X number of days to get my paperwork in for finalization. Even if this were a newborn situation, there's enough paperwork from the hospital to generally appease HR types till the real one is available.
You ever had a SS number that starts with 950?
I have. 950 numbers aren't even valid. They had to issue me a legit number later.
Good luck trying to process a temporary placeholder number.
I assume health care benefits like dental, etc from their job.
She could have also had the child outside of a hospital and never told the government instead of throwing it away. Equally stupid though
More stupid because the mother or child could have died without immediate medical attention if something had gone wrong.
Plenty of hospitals will accommodate something akin to a home birth setup where a woman can choose to give birth without any painkillers or an episiotomy and will even often allow midwives and doulas to attend. They just make sure the woman is in an environment where both her or her baby's lives could potentially be saved in the event of something catastrophic.
Yeah my wife gave birth at a place like that, had midwives and nurses but was more of a home feeling setup, worked with the hospital and a fire department was right next door with an ambulance in case anything went wrong. They also didn’t allow any high risk pregnancies. I felt like it was a great compromise and my wife loved it. It’s totally doable in a safe way if you can find an above board place.
Are you talking about a birth center?
My oldest was born in a hospital, but it was such an awful experience, my second was born in a birthing center. So much better on so many levels.
Yeah it was a birthing center.
A birthing center is also a far safer alternative to a home birth. Probably just as safe as a hospital, if not safer due to the staff being more specialized (I'm not sure which has a better safety record in that regard). The point is, medical professionals need to be around just in case.
I read an autobiography years ago about a girl in the US who had grown up in fairly extreme poverty. She ended up going on to great things. I unfortunately can't remember the name of the book but it was a really good read.
Anyway, one of the things that stuck with me was that home births with no hospital intervention were fairly common mostly because of cost but (and my memory on this is hazy) I think also this kind of "avoid the government" basis. They had midwives / nurses come on an unofficial basis.
Thank you for calling me out, yes my initial comment started off a bit salty, so I edited. My bad. Whatever.
But please provide evidence that the woman threw the paperwork away, there is absolutely no evidence of it here...
I also never said my paperwork was 'lost in the mail' as you suggested. I'm saying it took the government an entire month to issue my birth certificate.
In the meantime, I had no paperwork for the first month of my life.
Shit like that happens.
The odds of it being a literal newborn yet to be issued a birth certificate are minuscule compared to the odds of sovcits just doing the sovcit shit. "Our youngest" can mean almost any age, probably up to 10yo if I were to guess.
I dunno what a 'sovcit' is, though I did just look it up. Sounds like a buncha bullshit to me.
I'm almost 42 years old and partly Native American. I should have more rights on this land than many other people, fuckall with that 'sovcit' shit.
No, I'm not here to claim or reclaim rights of Native American land, just here to express my opinion.
And I rightly don't care if people like my opinions or not.
Not mad at you or anyone else, downvote me into oblivion if you so care. Hope you and everyone else has a good day.
The other comments were also arguing against sovcit, in fact, a lot of this community is screenshots of FB posts about sovcit stuff, that this community makes fun of.
I understand the point you were trying to make about it being possible they had a new born that was yet to be issued a birth certificate, and that's definitely possible, but if a screenshot of a FB post ends up here, it may just be some unhinged sovcit stuff.
At least someone gets where I was coming from. I hope you have a most excellent day. 👍