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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, I'll vote blue... But get this fucker off the ticket. I'd much rather it be Kamala, or like... Nearly anyone really.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, the question isn't who Democrats will vote for. It's who independents will vote for. And there are a lot of independents.

Relying on the "Never Trump" vote to win this election feels like a terrible risk.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

And if we're simply relying on "never Trump" then it shouldn't matter if Biden steps down because the goal is still the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We don't have democracy anymore.

First, the SCOTUS ruling did away with that last week, but let's ignore that for now...

We have a fascist authoritarian in charge who refuses to even consider stepping down until he dies - certainly he is not going to let the people decide who gets to be the Democratic nominee - vs. someone who will become a dictator for life and do the same, but somehow much, MUCH worse.

I hope that many people vote Blue No Matter Who... yet I fear that many independents won't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you realise what a fascist authoritarian is my lad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a bit hyperbolic in this context, yet also technically accurate in a surprising number of ways, though mostly I was focusing on how he won't allow an election to determine who gets to be the Democratic nominee. Also, he has the legal ability to murder his opponents, and is both supporting (in Gaza) even while also decrying (in Ukraine) genocide. Anyway, the point is that he is suppressing opposition (from within his own party, by not allowing a debate about who may replace him), which yes he has the legal ability to do, fwiw. So he is not much of one perhaps, but has some characteristics not entirely dissimilar to one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yeah those observations are fair. Regardless now I'm afraid Trump has sealed his win with this shooting. His voters are going to be mobilised like never before for the election

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Hrm, so he wasn't seriously injured, and the outcome ends in his favor, hrm... I see.

And Biden's administration ends up looking weaker than ever before, for allowing it to happen. I hate politics.:-(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

The question is who will turn out to vote. The number of "independents" who don't overwhelmingly vote republican or democratic is vanishingly small. This is found time and time again. Ultimately it's a question of which electorate turns out and which is demotivated enough not to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Anyone supposedly independent or undecided at this point is and idgit voter who will either stay home or vote for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

I've been trying to be positive about him but he's really indefensible at this point.

His hubris is very likely going to fuck things up for everyone.

Any other candidate will wipe the floor with trump.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think Kamala would be one of the single worst candidates we could put forth, but what do I know? I only worked for the dumpster fire of a DoJ she was partly responsible for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

hey now, the US has a long and storied history of loving the fuck out of female presidential candidates.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Maybe. Though I say we just come together, get his ass in, and then in the first year also get his ass out and let the VP or Speaker step in. Like it or not, changing now IS risky and it is arguable whether it's the better choice. I'll go with what the majority chooses because fighting against Trump and the GOP is what's important.

Let me repeat: We are in the game where we must do what the Republicans do and come together against a common enemy. So I recommend everyone agree on a candidate then shut up and checkmark that box. We can go back to verbally juxtaposing our positions through digital larping, or whatever it is we do when most of us forget politics exist for four years.