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Signs of undeclared ChatGPT use in papers mounting (retractionwatch.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The rules need to come from the top, but the people at the top, almost by definition, are the ones that have prospered with the current system.

And if these smart academically inclined people can’t reason about the merits of the system beyond whether it has worked for them, then they are as I accused them … unintelligent or childish.

You speak of higher salaries outside of academia, but from what I’ve seen (where you shouldn’t presume I haven’t worked in academia) success in academia is its own reward with prestige that should not be underestimated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if these smart academically inclined people can’t reason about the merits of the system beyond whether it has worked for them, then they are as I accused them … unintelligent or childish.

Nah, it's really hard to notice things that are against your incentives to notice. And if all of the people around you are prospering in the same system, extra hard. The myth of meritocracy is extremely compelling, possibly to an even greater extent in academia than elsewhere.

success in academia is its own reward with prestige that should not be underestimated.

No doubt. And listen, I'm on the tenure track job market at this very moment, having said that last year was definitely going to be my last attempt. There's some kind of cultish nature, all the more inextricable in that I can see it, and it doesn't stop me.

I guess my point is that it's obvious to most of us that that success is extremely rare, and getting rarer. The thing that keeps me in it is the sense that I can do more good pursuing knowledge for knowledge's sake than work that is easier and more remunerative but less fulfilling. Call that stupid or childish? Maybe 🤷.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yea we’re not disagreeing here.

The myth of meritocracy is extremely compelling, possibly to an even greater extent in academia than elsewhere.

This of essentially what I’m targeting in my dumb/childish accusation, especially in those with some job security or tenure and so have more power and ideally wisdom.

I can do more good pursuing knowledge for knowledge’s sake than work that is easier and more remunerative but less fulfilling.

That’s idealistic I’d say, and all the luck to you my friend.

In the end though, my accusation is intentionally provocative and intentionally aimed at what academics take pride in because at some point, IMO, academia needs to see that they’re often embarrassing themselves and letting themselves down, maybe not individually, but at some level. And, beyond that, maybe not pursuing as much of the greater good as we would all like to think.

I suspect academia might be pretty central to civilisation and the more corrupt it gets the more corruption leaks into the civilisation.

Anyway. All the best to you. Hope you get what you’re looking for and don’t burn out from the system or anything like that. Cheers for the chat!!