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Trump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
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I agree with you all the way up to voting 3rd party.
It has never worked out how everyone thinks it will. Why would this time be different?
We have first past the post here. Meaning first across the finish line. And 2 candidates are neck and neck a few steps from it. You can vote for one of them to pull into the lead a bit OR you can vote for a person still standing at the starting line that has no hope to ever win.
It's wild to me that people don't see that. It's about keeping Trump from winning and ACCELERATING THE GAZA GENOCIDE!!!! There just simply isn't the momentum to elect a 3rd party right now this cycle so close to the end. You have to start that momentum and push WAYYY sooner and be competitive and stay close to the lead or it is over for you.
Voting 3rd party now is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring reality.
I completely understand that neither main candidate is perfect.
If Trump wins, but your vote could have helped Biden win, how will your conscience handle that? Knowing you could have at least stopped Trump, but didn't? Is feeling good about your vote going to outweigh the reality if Trump wins?
It's like refusing to put out a fire with dirty water so you let the whole building burn down. Let's use the dirty water and stop the fire and THEN clean up the muddy mess from it.
I think we both agree that first past the post is a blight. And the only option to stop that would be either voting third party, or a violent Revolution that sees both parties on the end of a rope. The democrats have killed changing voting to ranked choice at local levels, even after being successfully voted for, because just like republicans they know that not allowing a choice is the only thing giving them power. The second that there is risk free voting for platforms you actually care about, they are fucking done.